- From: Stefan Tilkov <stefan.tilkov@innoq.com>
- Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:39:14 +0200
- To: public-web-http-desc@w3.org
Mark Pilgrim (http://diveintomark.org/projects) has numerous small Python wrappers around popular "Web APIs". They don't do much you couldn't do yourself, but they still provide a simplified view that makes them very easy to use. Code like this is IMO the standard example of what one could have generated from a machine-readable description. Of course you create a compile-time (or design-time) binding to the description this way, which introduces all kinds of problems in the real world; I don't see why this should not be an option for those who want it, though. Stefan -- Stefan Tilkov, stefan.tilkov@innoq.com, http://www.innoq.com innoQ Deutschland GmbH, Halskestr. 17, D-40880 Ratingen, Germany Phone: +49 170 471 2624 Fax: +49 2102 77160-1 ICQ: 177869128, AIM: stefantilkov, Weblog: http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/ On Jun 13, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Mark Baker wrote: > > > > Hey Paul, > > On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 10:03:12PM +0100, Paul Downey wrote: > >>> I wonder if some use cases for the description language aren't in >>> order? >>> >> >> Looking at the various DLs kicking around, there seem to be >> several services commonly used as examples: >> >> - Norm Walsh's Where In The World: >> http://norman.walsh.name/2005/02/16/witw-part-1 >> >> - Yahoo! search services: >> http://developer.yahoo.net/ >> >> - The Atom API: >> http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/FrontPage >> >> and I would add: >> >> - del.icio.us API >> http://del.icio.us/doc/api >> >> - flickr REST APIs >> http://www.flickr.com/services/api/ >> >> and other similar services abound out there, hence interest >> in describing them more formally. But as I know you're aware of >> these services, i wonder if i've just sprung a trap :-) >> > > Heh. Not that I don't enjoy a good trap, but that wasn't one. 8-) > > Those are certainly the kind of services that we might want to > describe, but what I (personally) was really looking for was > motivating > use cases for code generation, since I want to understand what folks > want to do with it. > > >>> Does anybody else have some use cases supporting code generation >>> requirements? >>> >> >> So i'll turn that round. Do you have use-cases which preclude my >> generating agents from a web-http-desc for services such as these? >> > > Fair question. > > I already gave one example about WADL's declaration of HTTP response > codes, which could easily be used to generate code inconsistent with > the HTTP specification. Luckily, Marc clarified that this wasn't his > intent, but I think a reasonable person may have assumed otherwise. > > Something else that just came to mind, was that some of the > descriptive > information, while usable in a forms context, could still be used to > generate code. Say you received some WADL which included this snippet > (from Marc's example); > > <operation name="NewsSearch" method="get"> > <request> > <parameter name="appid" type="xsd:string" required="true"/> > <parameter name="query" type="xsd:string" required="true"/> > <parameter name="type" type="xsd:string"/> > <parameter name="results" type="xsd:int"/> > <parameter name="start" type="xsd:int"/> > <parameter name="sort" type="xsd:string"/> > <parameter name="language" type="xsd:string"/> > </request> > ... > > A code-generation approach to that might reasonably assume that the > name values were fixed for the lifetime of the service and therefore > hard-code them. But are they? In a forms based approach, they > need not > be, and the agent may instead rely on other information such as a > "type", or data available from an associated URI (as RDF Forms does, > though I'm not sure that's best). While this can be remedied by just > specifying that names may change, I think it, and the other example > above, demonstrate that there is a line here that we need to keep in > mind and IMO, avoid crossing. > > Got any code generation use cases for me now? 8-) > > Mark. > -- > Mark Baker. Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA. http://www.markbaker.ca > Coactus; Web-inspired integration strategies http://www.coactus.com > > >
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