Web Bluetooth Meeting Notes, Mon 19 Sep (was: TPAC plans)

Web Bluetooth Community Group Meeting at TPAC 2016, September 19 Recorded 1
hour, 43 minutes: https://youtu.be/Vty9FsTTOoI Introductions: - TPAC room -
Anssi (Intel) - Kenneth Rohde Christiansen (Intel) - Zoltan Kis (Intel) -
Tomoyuki Shimizu (KDDI Japanese mobile network operator) - [interested in
how smartphones and devices can be connected] - Rijubrata Bhaumik (NFC &
Generic Sensors API) - ? (Toshiba) - [Highspeed NFC] - ? - Dominique Hazael
Massieux - W3C Staff, WebRTC, Device & Sensors group - Tobie Langel (Intel)
- Jeffrey Yasskin (Google) Web Bluetooth Spec editor - Vincent Scheib
(Google) - Giovanni Ortuño (Google) - François Beaufort (Google) [Developer
Relations] - Stanley (Malaysian government) - Julien Racle (Logitech)
Implementation Status & Plans: https://youtu.be/Vty9FsTTOoI?t=7m57s Only
Google implementers present. Web Bluetooth publishes implementation status
here:
https://github.com/WebBluetoothCG/web-bluetooth/blob/master/implementation-status.md
Chrome implementation reviewed, notably lacking iOS & Windows support.
Servo has many JS components implemented Servo is bringing up platform
implementations Firefox had a start but stopped, as far as we can tell
because of lack of staffing. Other vendors have no activity that we are
aware of. Julien: Concern raised regarding WebKit implementation being
started, and lack of support in long term in Safari if not started. Group
discussed, Apple would also need to approve and adopt the feature but, yes
it would need to have implementation in WebKit and no group is working on
that now. Additional implementations would help the specification process.
Further through the process at least 2 implementations will be required.
Servo's implementation would be unlikely to be sufficient for this, clearly
in for market needs, but also in W3C process. Reviewing issues:
Milestone:"Initial GATT Communication": https://youtu.be/Vty9FsTTOoI?t=22m1s
https://github.com/WebBluetoothCG/web-bluetooth/milestone/1 Reviewing
issues: Milestone:"Complete GATT Communication":
https://youtu.be/Vty9FsTTOoI?t=49m22s
https://github.com/WebBluetoothCG/web-bluetooth/milestone/2 Discussing Spec
changes: We should be strongly encouraging origin trial members to join the
public web-bluetooth list so that as specification changes are being
announced and discussed we have input from developers Entering working
group: https://youtu.be/Vty9FsTTOoI?t=1h6m4s Could create a working group,
but that isn't a preferred option. Could attempt to join HFC, USB,
Bluetooth. Being added to existing WG Web Platform would provide much more
exposure, if able to make the entry cost of being added to an already large
charter. Device group would be easier because there is a clear overlap with
the scope of the group. NFC is seeking another browser vendor to be
invested before entering a working group jyasskin notes that waiting for
another implementation to be invested seems good Anssi notes that some
implementations may not start until a spec is in standards track. One
motivation to move to a WG sooner is a requirement for minimal time for
implementation process time. dom guessting 150 days. Some discussion on
testing: scheib: how have other device specs tested? Anssi: vibration, the
human notices the effect Another note: Chrome only implements a subset of
the entire specification. Anssi recommends flagging the portion of the spec
not implemented, e.g. so that following implementations can see that there
is less work to follow. Tobie Langel arrives, to have coffee with jyasskin
;), ask about permissions: https://youtu.be/Vty9FsTTOoI?t=1h33m25s In
sensors, thinking over how to handle permissions for things which are very
similar do we try to group them? Could we do permissions with an object,
instead of a string? Web apps sec will discuss permissions later this week
at TPAC TPAC meeting is over. Recording available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vty9FsTTOoI and notes above I'll summarize
and see published to email list. Recording stops at 1:43:30