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Re: Testing and WebMob (was: [W3C Webmob] Call Tomorrow (19th March) Cancelled)

From: Tobie Langel <tobie.langel@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 21:36:06 +0100
Message-ID: <4941827179573100137@unknownmsgid>
To: "SULLIVAN, BRYAN L" <bs3131@att.com>
Cc: "Dominique Hazael-Massieux (dom@w3.org)" <dom@w3.org>, Natasha Rooney <nrooney@gsma.com>, W3C Webmob Public <public-web-mobile@w3.org>, MarkCrandon <IMCEAMAILTO-mcrandon+40mozilla+2Ecom@local>, "public-web-and-tv@w3.org" <public-web-and-tv@w3.org>
On Mar 28, 2014, at 20:42, "SULLIVAN, BRYAN L" <bs3131@att.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the guidance, Tobie. And apologies for any unintended offense (certainly none was intended). The lack of focus is a perception I have due to the fact that the current activity is not very apparent in any really accessible way, e.g. regular meetings, an archived mail list, up-to-date info on the wiki, etc. Thus I have difficulty assessing what is the current activity level and where we can get engaged.

The wiki should be killed. It is no longer maintained.

> Re the channels on TTWF, do you mean those at http://testthewebforward.org/discuss.html ?
> * http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-testtwf/ (very light traffic)
> * irc channel: irc.w3.org#testing (not a good option for many of us behind corporate firewalls and not able to install IRC clients to stay connected all the time, or to review what's happened/discussed recently... it's OK for meetings but not as a main medium of engagement)
> * https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests and the resources that one can find referenced there
>  * https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues and https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls (useful to track what is being done at a granular level, but not really replacing a forum, mail list, or wiki where things can be discussed)
>  * http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/ (very light traffic)

The irc channel,
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-test-infra/ mailing list,
github repository and testthewebforward.org blog are the key channels.

If you have firewall issues with irc may I suggest using a hosted
client such irccloud.com. As you're logged in though their service,
you can catch up on conversations that happened while you were away.

> For those on the inside of this activity, actively engaged and setup with the tools to being engaged as needed, this might be an adequate set of resources. But for those attempting to get engaged, it represents a significant barrier.

I'm sorry if this is the case. We've done our best to improve this
(and I think we've been rather successful given the recent uptake).
Frankly, we haven't heard such complains recently. That said, there's
always room for improvement. Unfortunately, we lack resources to
provide better docs, regular updates to what's going on, etc. maybe
that's something you'd be interested to provide (e.g. through
fortnightly posts on the testthewebforward blog).

> And it remains very difficult (to me at least) to draw any overall picture of how this program is working and where it is attempting to go as a coherent community effort.

Really? That's rather surprising. Much like any open source projects,
contribution are driven by contributors' needs. When a vendor cares
about a given technology, tests tend to appear as if by magic.
Likewise, vendors who want to run these tests internally tend to build
and share tools to do so. If you have specific requirements, you might
consider ponying up resources to build them your best option. And
you'll find the community welcoming should you do so.

Received on Friday, 28 March 2014 20:36:38 UTC

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