- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 01:04:44 +0900
- To: public-web-and-tv@w3.org
available at:
http://www.w3.org/2012/05/10-webtv-minutes.html
also as text below.
Thanks a lot for taking minutes, Kevin!
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconference
10 May 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_10th_May_2012
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/05/10-webtv-irc
Attendees
Present
clarke, kaz, bryan, bob, joe, kevin, Juhani, eric, john,
??P32, 443-030-40xxxx, 425-214-xxxx, 858-735-xxxx,
617-761-xxxx, 415-832-xxxx, 617-761-xxxx, ??P58,
206-218-xxxx, 425-882-xxxx, 617-761-xxxx
Regrets
Chair
Clarke
Scribe
kstreeter, kaz
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]face to face last week
2. [6]WebPerf
3. [7]bug tracking
4. [8]requirements documents
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<nisc> this passcode is not valid ? :(
<inserted> scribenick: kstreeter
face to face last week
Bob: Summary of last week:
aaron presented the media source proposal
[mark?] presented the encrypted media proposal
discussed the formation of a media task force
it was decided to keep the work in the group
discussion on whether to keep the two proposals together
John: none of the acrimonious comments on the enc media
proposal really came up in the f2f
there is a transition happening between HTML5 and HTML next
Aaron: there is a sense that the HTML5 ship has sailed, and
there is an opp for cooperation moving forwad in the HTML WG
s/fowad/forward/
Aaron: Paul Cotton indicated that he would moderate the calls
regarding the media proposals
John: Google presented a couple of good demos, are these
available online?
Aaron: yes, online will find a link
WebPerf
some of the metrics being discussed by webperf could be
utilized by the media source elements
this group should familiarize themselves; we will discuss next
week
bug tracking
many messages this week, means work is progressing
bug11492
no new bugs
requirements documents
<Clarke> ABR Requirements:
[10]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/tip/mpreq/MPTF-ADB-Req
uirements.html
[10]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/tip/mpreq/MPTF-ADB-Requirements.html
updated the terminology
group should review the terminology changes as well as the reqs
added use cases
reviewing use case 5.1
the terminology for ABR "media" or ABR "system" is ill-defined,
we could clarify this
reviewing use case 5.2 U2
Kevin: could add the need to handle trick modes across time
discontinuities
Joe: content protection can also impact trick modes, we should
call that out as well
Aaron: what are the expectations around consistency between
different systems?
Clarke: the primary thing is that from a user perspective
dealing with trick modes in ABR should be similar to that of
non-ABR content
Aaron: some adaptive systems might handle trick modes slightly
differently, for example switch to lower bitrate
Bob: even in non-adaptive there are often differences on how
different media handle trick play
... different user agents will often do trick modes differently
to enhance user experience
Kevin: perhaps we could define this more as a req for the
mechanisms to initiate trick plays, rather than the end
experience
Bob: could express this in terms of the media element
attributes that manage trick modes
... this could be more succinct
reviewing use case 5.3 U3. Search Adaptive Bit Rate Content
Aaron: we should use "seek" rather than "search"
<inserted> scribenick: kaz
Clarke: U5. Continuous Adaptive Bit Rate Content
... time reference?
bob: who made that comment?
kstreeter: kevin from Adobe
bob: we had some discussion before
... are you aware how systems today handle that?
... what should for adaptive streaming?
kstreeter: not aware
... I imagine system like Tivo should handle this
bob: ok
<nisc> kaz, who is here
<nisc> kaz, who is here?
<nisc> er
<nisc> sorry kaz ;-)
bob: granularity of time
Clarke: I guess we could leave it in the requirements, and
reconsider it later
... any other comments for the UC 5?
(nothing)
<inserted> scribenick: kstreeter
reviewing use case 5.6 U6. Timed Tracks and Adaptive Bit Rate
Content
Clarke: this is related to the time base requirements
DASH supports this in the MPD
Bob: this might boil down to that the implementation must
support timed text tracks if present
Aaron: we are going to support inline text tracks
Kevin: how would this work with external caption file?
Aaron: yes, you would just use the existing track mechanism
... since this is built on existing HTML5, i don't think we
need to call this out specifically as a requirement
Clarke: given the above requirements on timeline, this use case
might not be required
Aaron: this req does allow a timed text track to be merged into
content that did not already have one
... even if this is redundant timed text is important it is
worth leaving in
next week we will talk about the enc content doc
Aaron: link points to old document
<Clarke> Thanks for scribing, Kevin
<kaz> [ adjourned ]
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
Received on Thursday, 10 May 2012 16:06:27 UTC