- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 01:28:49 +0900
- To: public-web-and-tv@w3.org
available at:
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also as text below.
Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, David!
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Media Pipeline Task Force call
19 Apr 2012
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_19th_April_2012
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/19-webtv-irc
Attendees
Present
Aaron_Colwell, Kazuyuki, joesteele, Clarke, glenn,
Niklas_Schmücker, Juhani, Bob_Lund, John_Simmons,
David_Corvoysier, Mark_Vickers, Mark_Watson, Franck,
Philipp
Regrets
Chair
Clarke
Scribe
David_Corvoysier
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Status of the Media TF in the HTML WG
2. [6]Discuss status of open MPTF bugs and what (if
anything) still needs to be done with them
3. [7]requirements document
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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Status of the Media TF in the HTML WG
Clarke: Call for consensus on the creation of the Media TF in
HTML ended yesterday
... Not more insight on what will happen next
John: Not familiar with the process
markV: It will be on the agenda of the HTML TF today
Discuss status of open MPTF bugs and what (if anything) still needs
to be done with them
Clarke: Bugs: a precision has been added on one of the bugs
<kaz> [9]Dashboard wiki
[9] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF
Clarke: Did anybody notice new bugs relevant to this group ?
-> No answer
requirements document
<Clarke> ABR Requirements:
[10]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/35ffe94c6c64/mpreq/MPT
F-ADB-Requirements.html
[10]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/35ffe94c6c64/mpreq/MPTF-ADB-Requirements.html
Clarke: Apologize for being a mercurial newbie
... Feel free to make changes and help me updating the document
<kaz> [11]Latest draft
[11]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/35ffe94c6c64/mpreq/MPTF-ADB-Requirements.html
Clarke: Not everything seems to have been pushed to mercurial
<joesteele> I am muted ...
<ph> ty
Clarke: Opinions on the ABR reqs ? Terminology section ?
Aaron: Active ids is not required
<acolwell>
[12]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/
media-source.html
[12]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/media-source.html
Aaron: update the url to the meida source proposal already
submitted to the W3C
Clarke: Source/Track buffers ? any comments
... Maybe these terms should be only explaine din the
referenced proposals
... Missing Definitions have been posted to local repo: should
be upstream soon
... Anything missing in paragraph 4
Joe: What was the resolution on the errors ?
Clarke: That's still open
... 4.1.2 media tag instead of audio & video ? did that to
differentiate from the object tag
... in paragraph 4, one must be very careful with the language
used to express the fact that everything should be open, both
in terms of solutions and implementations
John: open is a loaded word
... whatever ABR techno is used is not important: enabling a
techno is not specifying it
Clarke: little uncomfortable with language related to open
source browsers
John: examples of where this req should apply ?
Clarke: I want to avoid to imply that if an ABR solution is not
open source, it cannot be made available in an open source
browser
Mark: some formats will _not_ be supported by all UAs
John: To that extent req 4.1.9 cannot fully apply
Aaron: It should be possible to create an ABR system that
everybody supports ?
... I am not advocating for us choosing a format, but there may
be an open source format option, that is a format that could be
implemented by every UA
John: What is the definition ? RF ?
Joe: Is there a W3C definition of what _is_ open source ?
Philipp: By definition, a spec is not source code. The question
is whether it can be implemented in an open source environment
<kaz> [13]w3c glossary (just fyi)
[13]
http://www.w3.org/2003/glossary/keyword/All/open%20source.html?keywords=open%20source
Philipp: I don't have the answer: would need to check with open
source experts
John: Do we need this req altogether ?
... The debate is not open source vesus closed source: it seems
more related to being agnostic to ABR systems
... You don't need to specify anything specific to any ABR
system, actually: only specify the spec allowing to use them
Clarke: Just want to make sure we don't prevent any
implementation in open source browser
Mark: We are mixing spec and code (and confusing the scribe a
lot !!!)
... The fact that a specification has to be published for free
encourages the implementation of it by open source
... The issue in all W3C spec, especially with these two, is
that there is nothing implying that the tech below the W3C
specs need to be RF also
Clarke: I am willing to be convinced that req 4.1.9 is
implicit: is that the consensus in the group^
<joesteele> +1 implicit
Aaron: I would say that the W3C spec for ABR or EC must be
implementable RF
<glenn> are you saying that *all* ABR/ECs need to be
implementable RF?
Juhani?: The API must work with open source browser, but we
should not tak any position related to format or the Royalties
associated to lower level APIs
<glenn> i agree that the API itself (that W3C defines) should
be implementable RF, but it goes too far to say that the
underlying semantics of a specific ABR (that is exposed by that
API) must also be implementable RF
Clarke: We should to be more explicit in this req
... Still no consensus, will leave it in by default until we
work on the wording
Joe: Something alogn the lines could be added "To the extent
that the W3C already requires specs to be RF"
<Juhani> +1
Clarke: Would suggest wording
Bob: Could we be more explicit that audio abd video should
support playback of content delivered using ABR
Clarke: Will take Bob's suggested wording offline
... About parameters, the clarification that i am trying to
make is that we don't limit the number of parameters that can
be used, but instead specify a minimum set
... A pretty good starting place here !
... Please take a look at this doc next week, and also on the
EC doc (hope the changes will be pushed this time)
... AOB ? Not ?
Meeting adjourned
<Clarke> Thanks, David
<kaz> [ adjourned ]
Summary of Action Items
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