- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 02:35:57 +0900
- To: "public-web-and-tv@w3.org" <public-web-and-tv@w3.org>
available at:
http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-webtv-minutes.html
also as text below.
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconf
08 Sep 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_8th_September_2011
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-webtv-irc
Attendees
Present
Duncan, Kazuyuki, Jan, Clarke, Russell, Bob, Igarashi, Aizu,
Eric, Steven, Juhani, Dave, Narm, Mark_Watson
Regrets
Chair
Clarke
Scribe
kaz_
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Update on issues from last week
2. [6]Merging of issue-18 and issue-39 (Bob and Jan)
3. [7]Clarify wording on issue 40 (concern with word
"enforce") (Russell)
4. [8]Clarify explanations on DRM requirements, also consider
more specific DECE requirements (Bob)
5. [9]Continuing issue acceptance review (beginning with issue
42)
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<francois> [Regrets for this call. I'm on a call for the WebRTC
working group. I'll monitor IRC]
<igarashi> zakim ??p49 is igarashi
<Clarke> Agenda:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_8th_Septembe
r_2011
[11] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_8th_September_2011
Update on issues from last week
clarke: bob, any update?
Merging of issue-18 and issue-39 (Bob and Jan)
jan: we can continue the discussion offline on the reflector
bob: my issue-39's point was types of metadata
... while 18 was more generic
... I'll post comments on the reflector
jan: we have bug reports
... would like to talk about the bug
kaz: which bug?
jan: 389 is related to issue-18
... HTML5 bug
clarke: good suggestion
... requirements comes from these issues are good
kaz: will they create a new issue based on the discussion?
jan: the conclusion depends on the discussion
bob: discussion first
jan: can I reopen HTML5 bugs which has been already closed?
kaz: you should be able to send a message to the public list
clarke: one of the bugs is closed but the other 3 are still open
<Clarke> The other 3 are still open
clarke: should we ask HTML WG to reopen 13333?
<scribe> ACTION: jan to send a message to HTML WG public list and
talk with the group about how to deal with the closed bugs, e.g.,
13333 [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-webtv-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Send a message to HTML WG public list
and talk with the group about how to deal with the closed bugs,
e.g., 13333 [on Jan Lindquist - due 2011-09-15].
jan: just to clarify, how to refer closed bug
Clarify wording on issue 40 (concern with word "enforce") (Russell)
russell: would like one more week
clarke: ok
Clarify explanations on DRM requirements, also consider more specific
DECE requirements (Bob)
(Bob is disconnected...)
clarke: we have issue-40 and issue-41
... and would like to see the difference
bob: contacted DECE
... we'll have discussion next week
... Jim Taylor
<Clarke> Taylor
bob: security specification
<Clarke> Works for DECE
russell: various ways for security
... Amazon, Netflix
... negotiation for separate systems
... so implementation specific
bob: that's one possible mechanism
... for download
... whatever content protection
... another possibility is direct streaming
... in that case DECE common encryption
... MPEG DASH is one example
clarke: can you define "LASP" ?
<Clarke> or "LASP" ?
<davidmays> yes it's LASP
<davidmays> LASP = Locker Access Streaming Provider
<Clarke> thanks
juhani: (explains the mechanism; but his voice is breaking...)
... various potential protection mechanisms
clarke: ok
bob: would restate our purpose is common mechanism
... sharing common encryption
clarke: bob will meet DECE and clarify their requirements
bob: if there is a plan on browser-based technology by DECE, will
let the TF know
... no intention of specific DRM mechanism, but common encryption
mechanism
... try to put ideas on wiki
... have specific examples
... within next couple of days
... will generate a wiki page first
<scribe> ACTION: lund to generate a wiki page on examples of common
encryption mechanism [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-webtv-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Generate a wiki page on examples of
common encryption mechanism [on Bob Lund - due 2011-09-15].
bob: something like CODECs, content providers can choose appropriate
mechanism
clarke: number of possible protocols
... which one is supported, and priority, etc.
Continuing issue acceptance review (beginning with issue 42)
issue-42?
<trackbot> ISSUE-42 -- Content delivery to personal computers --
raised
<trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/42
[14] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/42
<Clarke> issue-42
[15]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery
_to_pc
[15] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_to_pc
clarke: (explains the issue)
... Personal computers are a desirable target for service providers
to deliver content.
... can we accept this?
dave: are we thinking of tablet, etc.?
bob: depends on particular tablet
... vendor's specific tablet
... some of them are PC-like ones
... but some of them are retail devices
dave: mobile devices like mobile phones
bob: fine with rewording
... what is the characteristics of "personal computers" ?
... software-based solution
clarke: personal computer and CE devices
... you don't want to drop targets, do you
... overlapped list
dave: ok
juhani: what about requirements for issue-43?
clarke: 42 description is fine, but need rewording "personal
computers"
russell: W3C makes implementation-based distinction
bob: no suggestion of W3C level
... how you might implement content security on a personal computer
... software environment is quite open
... while no support with hardware level
... platform distinction may drive different consideration
... keep handling different platforms separately
... other distinction is also possible
... different economic consideration
... there are distinctions we need discussion
... what we want to understand is different category of devices have
different compliance rules
... compliance of robustness
russell: we have to write recommendations which are fairly neutral
clarke: some of the key difference may effect our requirements
... "personal computing device" and "consumer device"
juhani: mobile phones and smart phones belong to issue-43 (CE
devices), don't they?
bob: accessibility is also the key
clarke: anybody oppose to accept issue-42 as a requirement?
russell: need rewording
... between hardware-oriented devices and the others
... a bit confused what issue-42 want to say
bob: clarification is issue-42 is identifying more open and
accessible devices
... while issue-43 is identifying more close devices
... would like add clarification
<Clarke> For reference, here is issue 43:
[16]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery
_to_ce
[16] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_to_ce
issue-43?
<trackbot> ISSUE-43 -- Content delivery to retail consumer
electronics devices -- raised
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/43
[17] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/43
russell: source code is available for webkit
clarke: would suggest we mention the spectrum of devices
... one end of the spectrum is pc and another end is ce
+1
bob: makes sense
clarke: russell, maybe you could take discussion with Bob offline,
couldn't you?
dave: should mention characteristics as well
russell: f2f plan?
clarke: f2f meeting on 21st-22nd right after the workshop on
19th-20th
<Clarke> Thanks, Kaz
np
<Clarke> -Clarke
Clarke, Bob will try to put issue-42 and issue-43 together. right?
there was much scratch, and I couldn't here him
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: jan to send a message to HTML WG public list and talk
with the group about how to deal with the closed bugs, e.g., 13333
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-webtv-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: lund to generate a wiki page on examples of common
encryption mechanism [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-webtv-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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