RE: IG charter: status and schedule

Hi Kazuyuki,

My suggest is just to include the definition of "TV services" which are used in the draft of IG charter, but it is an ambiguous term.

I am not trying to reopen the issue about what is "TV", which was argued in the Tokyo Shop. My point is that "TV service"(i.e. video contents) could be delivered to the TV devices and TV like devices via not only terrestrial/satellite/cable broadcasting but also the Internet and managed telecom networks. I would like to clarify that video delivery services via IP network are also in scope of the IG by including the definition of "TV services".

Thank you.

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Tatsuya Igarashi　(Tatsuya.Igarashi@jp.sony.com)
NS Development Dept. Technology Development Group
Sony Corporation
(Voice) +81-3-5435-3252　(Fax) +81-3-5435-3274 





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kazuyuki Ashimura [mailto:ashimura@w3.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:11 PM
> To: Igarashi, Tatsuya; 이현재
> Cc: 'FUNAHASHI Yosuke'; 'Charles McCathieNevile';
> public-web-and-tv@w3.org
> Subject: Re: IG charter: status and schedule
> 
> Hi Tatsuya, HJ and all,
> 
> I'm sorry but may I ask you quick clarification?  Do you mean
> we should clarify:
> [[
> What "TV (or TV service) means here within the charter?
> ]]
> 
> If you mean that, maybe we could do either of the following:
> 1. simply change the title (of the group and the charter)
>    "Web and Broadcasting"
> 2. add brief explanation about what "TV" means here
>    to the charter
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> # Maybe I'm missing something important???
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kazuyuki
> 
> 
> On 10/01/2010 02:31 PM, Igarashi, Tatsuya wrote:
> > Hi HJ,
> >
> > I agree with you. Using ambiguous generic terms tends to lead confusion
> in such cross-industrial and multi-cultural activities.
> >
> > I used to believe that "TV services" means terrestrial broadcasting
> services.
> > Nowadays, IPTV operators are promoting their services using "TV services
> " as the generic term.
> >
> > It is nice to describe major use cases as examples in the chapter, however,
> if the scope is clear, IG will discuss them. Also, potential participants
> could be referred to the Tokyo Workshop outcome.
> >
> >
> -***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***--***---***---***-
> > Tatsuya Igarashi　(Tatsuya.Igarashi@jp.sony.com)
> > NS Development Dept. Technology Development Group
> > Sony Corporation
> > (Voice) +81-3-5435-3252　(Fax) +81-3-5435-3274
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org
> >> [mailto:public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of ???
> >> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:56 AM
> >> To: 'FUNAHASHI Yosuke'
> >> Cc: 'Kazuyuki Ashimura'; 'Charles McCathieNevile';
> >> public-web-and-tv@w3.org
> >> Subject: RE: IG charter: status and schedule
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> For the scoping, we need to dive a little bit deeper than current general
> >> term, in that I agree with Igarashi-san adding a few definitions and
> major
> >> usecases. This will definitely help potential participant understand
> W3C
> >> web and tv work scope. sometimes general term may lower industry interest
> >> and be in danger of being neglected. We could open additional scope
> >> possibilities while working though.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> HJ
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:
> >> Sent: 없음
> >> To: FUNAHASHI Yosuke; 이현재
> >> Cc: 'Kazuyuki Ashimura'; 'Charles McCathieNevile';
> >> public-web-and-tv@w3.org
> >> Subject: RE: IG charter: status and schedule
> >>
> >> Dear Funahashi-san and HyeonJae,
> >>
> >> We share the view that video service over IP network is in-scope of this
> >> IG, since participants of the workshop were interested in it. In terms
> of
> >> the priority issue, it is exactly what IG should discuss.
> >>
> >> If no objection, I suggest just to describe the meaning of "TV services".
> >> For example,
> >>
> >> TV services means audio-visual contents delivery services via IP network
> >> and out-of-band channel such as terrestrial/satellite/CABLE
> broadcasting.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >>
> -***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***--***---***---***-
> >> Tatsuya Igarashi　(Tatsuya.Igarashi@jp.sony.com)
> >> NS Development Dept. Technology Development Group
> >> Sony Corporation
> >> (Voice) +81-3-5435-3252　(Fax) +81-3-5435-3274
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org
> >>> [mailto:public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of FUNAHASHI
> Yosuke
> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:53 PM
> >>> To: 이현재
> >>> Cc: 'Kazuyuki Ashimura'; 'Charles McCathieNevile';
> >>> public-web-and-tv@w3.org
> >>> Subject: Re: IG charter: status and schedule
> >>>
> >>> Hi HyeonJae,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your comment.
> >>>
> >>> I think IPTV telcos are interested in this activity.  The reasons are
> >>> 1) Open IPTV Forum, IPTV Forum Japan, Ericsson and NTT actively
> >>> participated in the workshop, 2) one of the candidate chairs Kawamori-
> >>> san belongs to NTT.
> >>>
> >>> Above all, I would not like to exclude intentionally any individual
> >>> service from our scope before the IG started or before our
> >>> comprehensive examination about existing services.  This is a reason
> >>> why I expressed my preference to keep the meaning of "the TV services"
> >>> and "Web and TV" somewhat abstract level in the reply to Igarashi-
> >>> san.  I know this abstractness has some risk in attracting
> >>> "appropriate" organization in related domain.  But what is
> >>> "appropriate" is also a vague notion for us now.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Yosuke
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2010/09/30, at 12:08, 이현재 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Welcome Igarashi san,
> >>>> We could share TV makers voice with other industries.
> >>>>
> >>>> WebonTV Discussion at Tokyo has discussed wide range of spectrum as
> >>>> you
> >>>> listed.
> >>>> I suggest IPTV service should be later discussed at W3C because IPTV
> >>>> telco
> >>>> is not as much interested in W3C as WebonTV participants.
> >>>> "Video services via IP network" could be defined narrow and precise
> >>>> term as
> >>>> online video distribution from contents providers such as Netflix,
> >>>> Amazon,
> >>>> Hulu and Broadcasters such as NHK, BBC, KBS, ZDF and possible 3rd
> >>>> party
> >>>> small individual/independent content providers via open unmanaged
> >>>> internet
> >>>> to TV devices and TV-like devices like STB, Blu-Ray, etc.
> >>>> By definition it could include managed IPTV too, however, as I
> >>>> mentioned
> >>>> earlier 1st priority at W3C will be open unmanaged internet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> HJ
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From:
> >>>> Sent: 없음
> >>>> To: Kazuyuki Ashimura; FUNAHASHI Yosuke; Charles McCathieNevile
> >>>> Cc: public-web-and-tv@w3.org
> >>>> Subject: RE: IG charter: status and schedule
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear folks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for drafting the IG charter.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that we should clarify what "TV services" means in order to
> >>>> avoid
> >>>> leading confusions.
> >>>> I think that teleco's IPTV services and on-line services over the
> >>>> Internet
> >>>> are in scope of the IG. If "TV services" means just video contents
> >>>> delivery
> >>>> via terrestrial/satellite/CABLE broadcast, i.e. out-of-band of IP,
> we
> >>>> should also describe "video services via IP network" as well as "TV
> >>>> service".
> >>>>
> >>>> Any comment?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> -***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***--***---***---***-
> >>>> Tatsuya Igarashi　(Tatsuya.Igarashi@jp.sony.com)
> >>>> NS Development Dept. Technology Development Group
> >>>> Sony Corporation
> >>>> (Voice) +81-3-5435-3252　(Fax) +81-3-5435-3274
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org
> >>>>> [mailto:public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Kazuyuki
> >>>>> Ashimura
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:55 AM
> >>>>> To: FUNAHASHI Yosuke
> >>>>> Cc: Charles McCathieNevile; public-web-and-tv@w3.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: IG charter: status and schedule
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Yosuke,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it's my bad it took 12 hours to install Charles' updated
> >>>>> draft...  Please refer to the updated draft charter [1] for your
> >>>>> detailed review.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/webTVIGcharter.html

> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kazuyuki
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 09/30/2010 02:44 AM, FUNAHASHI Yosuke wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Charles,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I suppose we need a little rule or discipline regarding the
> >>>>>>> discussions on the IG in order for participants to carry their
> >>>>>>> attention to the ongoing process cooperatively. I think we should
> >>>>>>> explicitly show them the rule before they participate. I do not
> >>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>> whether the charter is appropriate or not as the place where we
> >>>>>>> write
> >>>>>>> down such matters.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What do you think?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh. You already included a comment about this topic in your updated
> >>>>>> charter.
> >>>>>> I appreciate your thoughtful update.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Yosuke
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Kazuyuki Ashimura / W3C Multimodal&  Voice Activity Lead
> >>>>> mailto: ashimura@w3.org
> >>>>> voice: +81.466.49.1170 / fax: +81.466.49.1171
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> --
> Kazuyuki Ashimura / W3C Multimodal & Voice Activity Lead
> mailto: ashimura@w3.org
> voice: +81.466.49.1170 / fax: +81.466.49.1171

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