- From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:44:48 -0400
- To: "'Gregg Vanderheiden'" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "'Peter Korn'" <peter.korn@oracle.com>, "'Michael Pluke'" <Mike.Pluke@castle-consult.com>, <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
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Agreed!
Cheers
David MacDonald
CanAdapt Solutions Inc.
Adapting the web to all users
Including those with disabilities
<http://www.can-adapt.com/> www.Can-Adapt.com
From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu]
Sent: March-21-13 10:50 PM
To: Peter Korn; Michael Pluke; public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org Force
Subject: Re: Meeting Agenda, March 22, 2012 (NOTE: Europeans please note
that the start is 1hr earlier than normal. The same as last week)
I am getting a bit uncomfortable with us creating what is becoming a
back-door document for communicating from this committee to the M376
committee.
https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/compar
ison-to-m376
I think the idea of comparing language to see where we should change our
text is a great idea -- and something we should do - and have been doing.
I think recognizing that M376 and Access Board might look at this page -- so
we are careful what language we put on the page is also a good idea. To
that end we said we should remove personal opinions and comments that seem
to be making comment on M376.
But now we are talking about adding text specifically for viewing by other
regulatory bodies -- and I think this is now outside of our bounds. The
committee has no authority to communicate messages to M376 or to post
documents intended for outside consumption other than the WCAG2ICT document
(except for exposing our work for the purpose of public scrutiny of our
process).
We include M376 personnel and Access Board personnel in the committee so
that they would have the benefit of both understanding and, as they are
comfortable, contributing to our consensus WCAG2ICT document. But the
task force as a whole is not authorized to create other documents, including
this comparison page, with the intent of communicating or submitting our
opinions to M376 or the Access Board.
The language being added to this page is not language for our own use -- or
needed for us to use this working page. It is clearly meant to convey
information to outside bodies -- and thus begins to turn this page from a
Task force working page -- into a task force communication page with outside
bodies.
This text and all of the text in column 5 that includes text like
"Suggestion: the rest of Note 1 is helpful, and should be added to M376."
should be removed from the page as I thought we decided earlier, since it is
clearly of our scope for the task force to be suggesting edits to M376.
Also note that these are not decisions from the working group but just
suggestions submitted by one member.
I think we should proceed with these edits tomorrow and bring the page back
into line - by having it just be a working page of the committee without
additional information or intended uses.
Gregg
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On Mar 21, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Peter Korn <peter.korn@oracle.com> wrote:
Mike, gang,
While it wasn't on the survey, if we have time we might consider a
discussion (and later survey) on the three paragraphs of text introducing
the Closed table.
Since we have recognized that this wiki page may be used by the M376 STF and
the Access Board to help them consider their own text in places (and
modifications to existing text), we have taken great care to craft the text
of the final columns of these tables, requiring TF consensus for that final
column final text. We took some of the introductory text of the Software
table and put it into its own initial row of that table, with TF consensus.
I think we should consider doing something similar here.
Also, looking forward to the eventual cleanup of this page (stripping out
some of the text that is very clearly a single individual's opinion), I
added a section near the top titled "What parts of this wiki have TF
consensus".
Finally, on a related topic, I have finished the updated comparisons of
those "set of" SCs where (a) there was M376 language, and (b) where our
language had been updated since 13Dec12. You can find that in both the
Documents and Software tables. I'm working now on a survey for that.
Related to that, in an(other) attempt to work toward language that captures
some of our feelings about the "set of" SCs and where/how they differ from
M376 language, I introduced another section/paragraph near the top titled
'General thoughts on "set of" SCs', which lays out in more broad detail what
and why there are differences in these between WCAG2ICT & M376. I've
highlighted this text in yellow which is the color code for "not yet dealt
with", to further indicate that this is something we should discuss and
perhaps become TF consensus text on this wiki page. I will include that in
the survey I'm working on.
Regards,
Peter
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