Meeting minutes, June 1, 2012

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WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
01 Jun 2012


Agenda


See also: IRC log


Attendees
Present
      Shadi, Cooper, Mike_Pluke, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Gregg_Vanderheiden,
      Bruce_Bailey, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Alex_Li, Kiran_Kaja, David_MacDonald
Regrets
Chair
      Mike_Pluke
Scribe
      Andi
Contents
      Topics
         1. Identify Scribe, discussion on what should be in the minutes
         2. Finish Discussion on first survey results, starting with 1.4.5
            Images of text
            <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY252012/results#xq13>
      Summary of Action Items



<trackbot> Date: 01 June 2012


<mapluke> adjourn


<MichaelC> drop item 6


<MichaelC> drop item 7


<MichaelC> drop item 8


<MichaelC> scribe: Andi


<MichaelC> regrest: Loïc_Martínez, Peter_Korn


<scribe> scribe: Andi


Identify Scribe, discussion on what should be in the minutes


no remaining issues now that category of ICT in general has been removed


RESOLUTION: Accept text for 1.4.5 as proposed


Finish Discussion on first survey results, starting with 1.4.5 Images of
text <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY252012/results#xq13>


1.2.1 Audio only and video only (prerecorded)
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY292012/results#xq7



no remaining issues now that category of ICT in general has been removed


RESOLUTION: Accept text for 1.2.1 as proposed


Captions 1.2.2


general discussion about what to do when it seems something doesn't apply


example of images - if don't have images, some think the SC is not
applicable, but the assumption for WCAG is that if you don't have images
then you comply with 1.1.1


general discussion about conformance when platform doesn't have features
necessary to support the SC


<Zakim> BBailey, you wanted to mention language from 508 about exception
for “fundamental alteration”.


GV: if platform doesn't support, SC can't be met


AL: when authoring, can't know what user agent, platform, AT user will have


BB: 508 has exceptions for fundamental alteration and commercial
non-availability


GV: we have to create the rules for what makes something accessible to
people with disabilities


<Pierce_> 40#


BB: in regulatory context, there is a difference between compliance with
the statute and conformance to the technical standard


<Pierce_> 41#


<Zakim> BBailey, you wanted to say we distinguish between complying with
the statute and conforming to the standard.


PC: government can specify minimum system requirements


<BBailey> trackbot, status?


AS: the second paragraph speaks to the issue of "accessibility supported"
which is a conformance issue that is applicable to all SC


proposal to delete the second paragraph of the proposal


RESOLUTION: accept text for 1.2.2 as amended (delete second paragraph)


1.2.3 Audio Descriptions or media alternatives (prerecorded)


<shadi> [for record, agree with removing this paragraph for now but coming
back to it later, probably when we come to discuss "accessibility support"]


proposal to remove the second paragraph and add note per Loïc's comment


AS: definition of audio description has notes that explain this is also
known by other terms such as "video description"


<mapluke> Note that WCAG 2.0 definition of Audio Description says that
Audio Description is "Also called 'video description' and 'descriptive
narration.'".


GV and MP: propose keeping the note because this term gets a lot of
comments so even though there are notes in the definition, this is a good
clarification


<greggvanderheiden> Note: Secondary or alternate audio tracks are commonly
used for this purpose


<janina> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/



Document about how to do media accessibility on the web - excellent
resource for WCAG but not for the WCAG2ICT document


JS: reference on media accessibility is being used in other non-web
contexts such as cable


AL: lot of other standards we could reference, process question of how we
are going to handle these


GV: not within our scope to reference other standards


<greggvanderheiden> FROM MEETING


<greggvanderheiden> Additional guidance when applying to Electronic
Documents and Software Aspects of Products


<greggvanderheiden> This applies directly as written, and as described in
INTENT from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above).


<greggvanderheiden> Note1: WCAG 2.0 definition of Audio Description says
that Audio Description is "Also called 'video description' and 'descriptive
narration.'".


<greggvanderheiden> Note2: Secondary or alternate audio tracks are commonly
used for this purpose


<greggvanderheiden> Additional guidance when applying to Electronic
Documents and Software Aspects of Products


<greggvanderheiden> This applies directly as written, and as described in
INTENT from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above).


<greggvanderheiden> Note1: WCAG 2.0 definition of Audio Description says
that Audio Description is "Also called 'video description' and 'descriptive
narration.'".


<greggvanderheiden> Note2: Secondary or alternate audio tracks are commonly
used for this purpose


RESOLUTION: accept text for 1.2.3 as amended (add Gregg's note as edited by
Loïc, add additional note about using primary or secondary audio channels,
and delete second paragraph)


AH: back to 1.2.2 Captions - these are called "subtitles" in other contexts


AS: definition of Captions says that in the notes


GV: could add a note similar to what we did for 1.2.3 on audio
description/video description


<scribe> ACTION: Gregg to compose note on captions and subtitles for 1.2.2
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/01-wcag2ict-minutes.html#action01]


<trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Compose note on captions and subtitles for
1.2.2 [on Gregg Vanderheiden - due 2012-06-08].


1.2.4 Captions (Live)


GV: "live" is defined as information captured from real world events
... not document and not software
... if software plays CSPAN channel, that is coming from a third party who
would be responsible for the captions
... software would play the captions but requirements on the player to be
able to play the captions is beyond our scope


PC: this requirement is really about doing something, not selling something


GV: contrasts software that just presents live content (baby cam) vs. live
content that someone is selling such as Olympic coverage


MP: need a note on scoping


GV: this provision wouldn't apply when agency is purchasing software to do
a live event (ex. training) but it would apply when the agency uses it


AH: lot of information provide for the web context, is there something else
we need to add for people not operating in the web context


proposal to put the same note from 1.2.2 in this provision


AL: written for one-way conversation, not meant for two-way conversations
such as VoIP


<greggvanderheiden> sorry


<greggvanderheiden> I am cut off can cannot sign back in


<greggvanderheiden> conference restricted


<shadi> trackbot, end meeting


trackbot, end meeting


Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Gregg to compose note on captions and subtitles for 1.2.2
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/01-wcag2ict-minutes.html#action01]

[End of minutes]