RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

I think my screen reader was misbehaving—error is not replicable now.
It fixed itself.
It looked like 4.1.2 was including text from 2.4.1 earlier today—but it is not doing that for me now.  Weird.
My machine has been acting odd all day.



From: Andi Snow-Weaver [mailto:andisnow@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:36 PM
To: Hoffman, Allen
Cc: Alex Li; 'Michael Cooper'; David MacDonald; 'WCAG2ICT'
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT


Allen,

What do you mean by a reference error?

Andi



[Inactive hide details for "Hoffman, Allen" ---07/25/2012 02:49:53 PM---I think there might be a reference error with 4.1.2 also]"Hoffman, Allen" ---07/25/2012 02:49:53 PM---I think there might be a reference error with 4.1.2 also. From: Andi Snow-Weaver [mailto:andisnow@us

From: "Hoffman, Allen" <Allen.Hoffman@hq.dhs.gov>
To: Andi Snow-Weaver/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Alex Li <alli@microsoft.com>
Cc: Alex Li <alli@microsoft.com>, "'Michael Cooper'" <cooper@w3.org>, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, "'WCAG2ICT'" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Date: 07/25/2012 02:49 PM
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

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I think there might be a reference error with 4.1.2 also.





From: Andi Snow-Weaver [mailto:andisnow@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:47 PM
To: Alex Li
Cc: Hoffman, Allen; Alex Li; 'Michael Cooper'; David MacDonald; 'WCAG2ICT'
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT



Alex,

GREAT catch. I missed this one.

Michael, looks like the additional guidance for 3.2.4 got put under 3.2.3 in the draft. IOW, we have consensus, approved by WCAG for 3.2.4, but not for 3.2.3.

https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/3-understandable/32-make-web-pages-appear-and-operate-in-predictable-ways/323-consistent-navigation

https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/3-understandable/32-make-web-pages-appear-and-operate-in-predictable-ways/324-consistent-identification


Andi



[Inactive hide details for Alex Li ---07/25/2012 02:08:47 PM---Michael, We don’t have anything to report on 3.2.3 yet.  Can you]Alex Li ---07/25/2012 02:08:47 PM---Michael, We don’t have anything to report on 3.2.3 yet.  Can you fix that?

From: Alex Li <alli@microsoft.com>
To: Alex Li <alli@microsoft.com>, "Hoffman, Allen" <Allen.Hoffman@HQ.DHS.GOV>, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, "'Michael Cooper'" <cooper@w3.org>, "'WCAG2ICT'" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Date: 07/25/2012 02:08 PM
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

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Michael,
We don’t have anything to report on 3.2.3 yet.  Can you fix that?
All best,
Alex

From: Alex Li [mailto:alli@microsoft.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:17 AM
To: Hoffman, Allen; David MacDonald; 'Michael Cooper'; 'WCAG2ICT'
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

Of course, we may need to wait till after the publication to make any change at this point.  The looming deadline may not allow us to make any change other than correcting typos and overt errors. -Alex

From: Hoffman, Allen [mailto:Allen.Hoffman@HQ.DHS.GOV]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:13 AM
To: Alex Li; David MacDonald; 'Michael Cooper'; 'WCAG2ICT'
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

that works for me.


From: Alex Li [mailto:alli@microsoft.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:10 PM
To: Hoffman, Allen; David MacDonald; 'Michael Cooper'; 'WCAG2ICT'
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

How about changing the 4th paragraph in Document Overview from: “This document does not seek to determine what WCAG 2.0 provisions should or should not apply to non-Web ICT. Nor does it propose changes to WCAG 2.0 or its supporting techniques or interpretations for implementing WCAG 2.0 in Web technologies.” To “This document does not seek to determine what WCAG 2.0 provisions should or should not apply to non-Web ICT. Nor does it propose changes to WCAG 2.0 or its supporting techniques, common failures, and test procedures, or interpretations for implementing WCAG 2.0 in Web technologies.”

I think needs "remains to be completed".

From: Hoffman, Allen [mailto:Allen.Hoffman@HQ.DHS.GOV]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:06 AM
To: Alex Li; David MacDonald; 'Michael Cooper'; 'WCAG2ICT'
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

I would like to see such noted in intro to give context to the remaining work.

From: Alex Li [mailto:alli@microsoft.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:52 PM
To: Hoffman, Allen; David MacDonald; 'Michael Cooper'; 'WCAG2ICT'
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

Test procedures are part of sufficient techniques and common failures.  I don’t think we plan to cover them.  If it help, maybe we can spell that out in the intro. -Alex

From: Hoffman, Allen [mailto:Allen.Hoffman@HQ.DHS.GOV]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:32 PM
To: David MacDonald; 'Michael Cooper'; 'WCAG2ICT'
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

Somewhere we should also note we have not looked at test procedures at all.

From: David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:40 PM
To: 'Michael Cooper'; 'WCAG2ICT'
Subject: RE: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

Hi Michael

As I skimmed through the notes on the Guidelines themselves stuck out. We’ve of course only worked on Success Criteria so far and not the overarching Guidelines... but I think some people may get confuse when they read:

“The WCAG2ICT Task Force has not yet produced additional guidance for Guideline 1.1.”

There are Success Criteria under each guideline, and it reads as if there is no work done on any of the SCs in the Guideline ... how about this:

“The WCAG2ICT Task Force has not yet produced additional guidance for Guideline 1.1. (please see each Success Criteria for Guidance on the Success Criteria level)”

Or something like that.

Cheers
David MacDonald

CanAdapt Solutions Inc.
 "Enabling the Web"
www.Can-Adapt.com<http://www.can-adapt.com/>

From: Michael Cooper [mailto:cooper@w3.org]
Sent: July-24-12 11:53 AM
To: WCAG2ICT
Subject: Editors' draft of WCAG2ICT

An editors' draft of WCAG2ICT is available in W3C space:

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2012/WD-wcag2ict-20120726/


I have been working with the editorial team to refine the structure and presentation of this document. I expect to continue with some minor style enhancements but otherwise this document is substantially in the form I expect to publish Thursday.

A number of people agreed to review this draft, which I appreciate. I will need reviews within the next 24 hours, and I hope you don't find anything major, just tweaks. :) Some questions to help steer your review, in descending order of priority:

1. Does the WCAG2ICT content (under the headings "Additional Guidance when applying..." match the version that had consensus of the WCAG2ICT Task Force and the WCAG Working Group?
2. Is there any WCAG2ICT consensus content that is missing?
3. Do the quotes from Understanding WCAG 2.0 include the modifications raised by the task force and agreed to by the WCAG WG?
4. Do the quotes from Understanding and WCAG otherwise look ok?

     *   The biggest issue I could expect is that content that was deleted is still showing up, though I've tried to check for that.
     *   It is also possible that formatting from the original documents did not correctly carry through into this document.

5. Is the overall structure and semantics of this document easy to understand and follow (considering the content)? Feedback from screen reader users would be particularly helpful.
6. Do you have any input on the visual style? I can't apply all style suggestions because there are style rules for W3C formal publications, but within the framework have attempted to make the document easy to read or skim visually.

Michael
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