**** RE: Failure due to generating markup using document.write() or ...

Ok 
Just talked with John 

Am officially pulling this from this draft due to inability to clear the
comments satisfactorily by deadline. 


Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 
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-----Original Message-----
From: public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Christophe Strobbe
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:24 PM
To: public-wcag-teama@w3.org
Subject: RE: Failure due to generating markup using document.write() or ...



At 19:17 24/04/2006, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>If there is doubt as to whether this is or isn't a failure - then we 
>should pull it from this release.
>
>Christophe - it sounds like this is true.  Correct?

Yes, that is my understanding now.

>If so I will pull it.

OK.

If I find the time, I can create a mini test suite with files that people
can evaluate with different UA and AT, so that we can document in what
circumstances document.write causes problems.

Regards,

Christophe

>Gregg
>
>  -- ------------------------------
>Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
>Director - Trace R & D Center
>University of Wisconsin-Madison
>The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org
>[mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Christophe 
>Strobbe
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:06 PM
>To: public-wcag-teama@w3.org
>Subject: RE: Failure due to generating markup using document.write() or ...
>
>
>At 18:45 24/04/2006, you wrote:
>
> >So you are suggesting that we REMOVE the failure?
> >
> >(did we accept this one at a meeting?)
>
>We said: "accept with edits (Team A to confirm w/ Cynthia and Yvette 
>wrt comments on using these in an accessible way)".
>Cynthia said that testing with document.write in different browsers and 
>with different AT didn't reveal problems,  at least if the HTML that is 
>inserted is well-formed and semantically correct.
>At this moment, I don't know how to turn this into a failure for 4.1.2 
>(and the way it is currently written is closer to 4.1.1), so I don't 
>know how to move forward with this.
>
>Regards,
>
>Christophe
>
> >Gregg
> >
> >  -- ------------------------------
> >Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> >Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
> >Director - Trace R & D Center
> >University of Wisconsin-Madison
> >The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org 
> >[mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Christophe 
> >Strobbe
> >Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:32 AM
> >To: public-wcag-teama@w3.org
> >Subject: RE: Failure due to generating markup using document.write() or
...
> >
> >
> >
> >At 18:09 24/04/2006, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
> > >Hi Christophe
> > >
> > >I'm not sure I understand your email
> > >
> > >1) What action are you recommending?
> >
> >At the moment, it looks like we need to drop this failure.
> >
> > >2) What does  " But the current failure has not been accepted,
>eventually."
> > >mean?
> >
> >Acceptance depended on whether we could find accessible and 
> >inaccessible ways of using document.write(). The way the title is 
> >phrased suggests that using document.write() is a problem in general 
> >(unparsed content), but it turns out that it may only be a problem if 
> >you use it to generate content that fails the guidelines (e.g.
> >ambiguous document structure). We could have a "Failure due to using
> >document.write() or document.writeln() to generate an ambiguous 
> >document structure", but that would be just a reiteration of SC
> >4.1.1 with the addition of JavaScript.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Christophe
> >
> >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >Gregg
> > >
> > >  -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > >Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
> > >Director - Trace R & D Center
> > >University of Wisconsin-Madison
> > >The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org 
> > >[mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Christophe 
> > >Strobbe
> > >Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:48 AM
> > >To: public-wcag-teama@w3.org
> > >Subject: Failure due to generating markup using document.write() or ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >In 4.1.2 we have a "Failure due to generating markup using
> > >document.write() or document.writeln() to write unparsed content"
> > >(previous name: "Failure due to generating markup using methods for 
> > >writing
> >unparsed content").
> > >Apparently, document.write() does not cause problems as long as the 
> > >html that is inserted is well-formed and semantically correct. 
> > >There are problems when you use client-side script to generate HTML 
> > >that doesn't meet the guidelines in some way, or modifying good 
> > >HTML code in a way so that it no longer meets the guidelines. This 
> > >is very general, unless you create one such (scripting) failure for 
> > >every success criterion
> >where it is applicable.
> > >But the current failure has not been accepted, eventually.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Christophe

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