- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:30:14 -0500
- To: <public-wcag-teama@w3.org>
Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center
University of Wisconsin-Madison
The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Seeman [mailto:lisa@ubaccess.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:40 PM
To: Gregg Vanderheiden
Subject: Fw: CLARIFICATION
please forward my comments on to team A
thanks
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION
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> Sometimes the text may say something that most people find easy and "
> obvious"
>
> such as: "fill in your social security number"
>
> A video clip may show you how to find your social security number, what
> it might be written on etc.
>
> this clip is for extra information for people with non localized LD. It
> can be really easy to make using a simple web cam. A large website could
> have a library of small clips that take you through important tasks or
> information.
> These clips make the tasks and information accessible.
>
> Making them require synchronized captions mean that they are suddenly
> burdensome to make. Hence people will make less of them, hence
> accessibility will be defeated.
>
> All the best
> Lisa
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregg Vanderheiden
> To: 'Lisa Seeman'
> Cc: public-wcag-teama@w3.org
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:28 AM
> Subject: CLARIFICATION
>
>
> In your comment below you ask for an exception for video that is added to
> make things clearer for those with cognitive disabilities.
>
>
>
> Usually, you do not have to caption a video if the information is already
> presented on the same page in text.
>
> So if you are talking about video only - you are ok.
>
> If it is audio only you are ok.
>
> The only problem would be if you adding audio-visual multimedia and the
> visual is not redundant with the audio.
>
> What do you have in mind when you say 'add an animation clip'.
>
> If you really mean just video - and it is an alternate to the text on the
> page - then you are all set. Not caption or description is required and
> thus you need no exception.
>
>
>
> Can you give us a more specific example of what you mean?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> Gregg
>
>
>
>
>
> Document: WCAG 2.0 Guidelines
> Submitter: Lisa Seeman <lisa@ubaccess.com> Affiliation: Invited
> expert at W3C, UB access
> Comment Type: substantive
> Location: media-equiv
>
> Comment:
> Comment (including rationale for any proposed change):
>
> I am concerned that the requirement for real time synrcrization put a lot
> of extra work on authors who would like to provide short animations or
> clips that help people with learning disabilities fulfill a task. On the
> whole, a lot of multi media, especially in education, is good for many
> learning disabilities, and these requirements may act as a step backwards
> for learning disabilities.
>
> Proposed Change:
>
> Make an exception in 1.2 for any content provides extra help visual for
> tasks and information that has been described in text else wear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sometimes the text may say something =
> that most=20
> people find easy and " obvious"</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>such as: </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
> size=3D2>"fill=20
> in your social security number"</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A video clip may show you how to =
> find=20
> your social security number, what it might be written on=20
> etc.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this clip is for extra information =
> for people=20
> with non localized LD. It can be really easy to make using a simple web =
> cam. A=20
> large website could have a library of small clips that take you through=20
> important tasks or information.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These clips make the tasks and =
> information=20
> accessible.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Making them require synchronized =
> captions mean that=20
> they are suddenly burdensome to make. Hence people will make less of =
> them, hence=20
> accessibility will be defeated.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the best</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lisa</FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
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> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dgv@trace.wisc.edu href=3D"mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu">Gregg=20
> Vanderheiden</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> title=3Dlisa@ubaccess.com=20
> href=3D"mailto:lisa@ubaccess.com">'Lisa Seeman'</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
> title=3Dpublic-wcag-teama@w3.org=20
> href=3D"mailto:public-wcag-teama@w3.org">public-wcag-teama@w3.org</A> =
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 19, 2006 =
> 7:28 AM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> CLARIFICATION</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV class=3DSection1>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In your comment below =
> you ask for=20
> an exception for video that is added to make things clearer for those =
> with=20
> cognitive disabilities. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Usually, you do not have =
> to=20
> caption a video if the information is already presented on the same =
> page in=20
> text. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So if you are talking =
> about video=20
> only =96 you are ok. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If it is audio only you =
> are ok.=20
> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The only problem would =
> be if you=20
> adding audio-visual multimedia and the visual is not redundant with =
> the audio.=20
> <BR><BR>What do you have in mind when you say 'add an animation clip'. =
>
> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you really mean just =
> video =96=20
> and it is an alternate to the text on the page =96 then you are all =
> set. =20
> Not caption or description is required and thus you need no=20
> exception. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can you give us a more =
> specific=20
> example of what you mean? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks=20
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> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Monotype =
> Corsiva"=20
> size=3D4><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Monotype =
> Corsiva'">Gregg<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Coronet"><BR></SPAN></FONT><BR><STRONG><B><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman">Document:</FONT></B></STRONG> WCAG 2.0=20
> Guidelines<BR><STRONG><B><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman">Submitter:</FONT></B></STRONG> Lisa Seeman=20
> =
> <lisa@ubaccess.com> <STRONG><B><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman">Affiliation:</FONT></B></STRONG> Invited =
> expert at W3C,=20
> UB access<BR><STRONG><B><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Comment=20
> Type:</FONT></B></STRONG> substantive<BR><STRONG><B><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman">Location:</FONT></B></STRONG> <A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/complete.html#media-equiv">media-equi=
> v</A> <o:p></o:p></P>
> <P><STRONG><B><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">Comment:</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><BR>Comment=20
> (including rationale for any proposed change): <BR><BR>I am concerned =
> that the=20
> requirement for real time synrcrization put a lot of extra work on =
> authors who=20
> would like to provide short animations or clips that help people with =
> learning=20
> disabilities fulfill a task. On the whole, a lot of multi media, =
> especially in=20
> education, is good for many learning disabilities, and these =
> requirements may=20
> act as a step backwards for learning disabilities. <BR><BR>Proposed =
> Change:=20
> <BR><BR>Make an exception in 1.2 for any content provides extra help =
> visual=20
> for tasks and information that has been described in text else=20
> wear.<o:p></o:p></P>
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