- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:15:46 -0500
- To: "'Ben Caldwell'" <caldwell@trace.wisc.edu>, "'Li, Alex'" <alex.li@sap.com>
- Cc: <public-wcag-teama@w3.org>
Here are the two in question 3.2 L2 SC3. Components that have the same functionality in multiple delivery units within a set of delivery units are labeled consistently. (Guide to 3.2 L2 SC3) 3.2 L3 SC1. Non-text content that appears on multiple delivery units and has the same function has consistent text alternatives. (Guide to 3.2 L3 SC1) I think the question is "what are components?" If they are only 'active' things then the two are different. If any gif or jpg is a component and all non-text content is considered a component then L2SC3 covers L3SC1. But if a gif or movie is NOT a component - then we need both. I think we could define component and delete L3SC1. What do others think? What is included in component? What would the definition be? (where else do we use component?) Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison -----Original Message----- From: public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org [mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Ben Caldwell Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:40 PM To: Li, Alex Cc: public-wcag-teama@w3.org Subject: Re: FW: combining 3.2 L3 SC1 and L2 SC3 I think option A is the way to go. Can't see a reason to require that non-text always have the same text alternative. Alex's traffic light example is a good one and so is the one about previous/next icons. To me, as long as the function is conveyed in the alternative, there's nothing wrong with providing additional details. (ex. a next page icon appears on multiple pages within a collection and includes alt="Next - page 2" alt="Next - page 3" etc.) This isn't something I think we should be prohibiting at level 3, so I would suggest combining whatever relevant portions of the L3 SC1 guide doc with what we've got for L2 SC3. -Ben Li, Alex wrote: > Forgot to send to all. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Li, Alex > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:46 AM > *To:* 'Gregg Vanderheiden' > *Subject:* RE: combining 3.2 L3 SC1 and L2 SC3 > > Hi all, > > I went back to the original text of the SC to examine the difference. > According to the June 30th draft, L3 SC1 says "Graphical components that > appear on multiple pages, including graphical links > <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-WCAG20-20050630/#linkdef>, are associated > with the same text equivalents wherever they appear.". The biggest > difference between the proposed SC and the June SC is that we changed > from "same" to "consistent". > > That leaves us with two options: > > Option A-varify that there is no way to fail L3 SC1 if L2 SC3 is > fulfilled and delete L3 SC1. I don't think it is possible to fail L3 > SC1 if L2 SC3 is met, given that the SC are written in its current forms. > > Option B-change L3 SC1 to "Non-text content that appears on multiple > delivery units and has the same function > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_3.2#samefunctiond ef> > has the same text alternatives." This option implies that we demand the > "same" text alternative or equivalent in level 3, given that we know > that the sc won't be applicable in some fairly common situations where > icons are used. > > I don't see any appropriate technique to help web designers meet the L3 > sc1 in option B in those situations where icons are used for multiple > purposes for good reasons (traffic lights and document download icons). > Assuming no technique is found, then we are still back to where we > were--no real difference between the two SC. I would argue that there > is no reason to selection option B because L2 SC3 guide doc contains a > common failure that says labelling "search" and "find" for the same > function and icon would fail L2 SC3. Assuming that we keep the common > failure in place, I think the only logical decision is to remove L3 SC1. > > All best, > Alex > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org > [mailto:public-wcag-teama-request@w3.org] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:51 AM > *To:* public-wcag-teama@w3.org > *Subject:* combining 3.2 L3 SC1 and L2 SC3 > > 1.) David, Alex, and I have an action item to look a SC1 with 3.2 > L2 SC3. (Last week, we couldn't come up with any techniques for > the L3 item that wouldn't already be covered by the L2 SC.) > > > > Everyone - can you think of anything that would be covered by L3 > SC1 that isn't covered by L2 SC3 (that isn't made up or trivial)?? > > I'll post a separate email that you can respond to on this. Then > Alex, David and I will finish this up. > > > > > > > > For your info - here is Level 2 and Level 3 of 3.2 > > > > Please send your thoughts > > > > > > > *Level 2 Success Criteria for Guideline 3.2 * > > 1. Changing the setting of any input field does not automatically > cause a change of context > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_3.2#context-chang edef>. > (Guide to 3.2 L2 SC1 > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_3.2_L2_SC1>) > > 2. Components that are repeated on multiple delivery units > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_3.2#deliveryunitd ef> > within a set of delivery units occur in the same relative > order > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_3.2#relorderdef> > each time they are repeated. (Guide to 3.2 L2 SC2 > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_3.2_L2_SC2>) > > 3. Components that have the same functionality > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_3.2#samefunctiona litydef> > in multiple delivery units > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_3.2#deliveryunitd ef> > within a set of delivery units are labeled consistently. > (Guide to 3.2 L2 SC3 > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_3.2_L2_SC3>) > > > [edit > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_3.2&action=edit&s ection=4>] > > > *Level 3 Success Criteria for Guideline 3.2 * > > 1. Non-text content that appears on multiple delivery units and > has the same function > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_3.2#samefunctiond ef> > has consistent text alternatives. (Guide to 3.2 L3 SC1 > <http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_3.2_L3_SC1>) > > > > > > Gregg > > ------------------------ > > Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. > Professor - Depts of Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. > Director - Trace R & D Center > University of Wisconsin-Madison > _<http://trace.wisc.edu/>_ FAX 608/262-8848 > For a list of our list discussions http://trace.wisc.edu/lists/ > > <http://trace.wisc.edu:8080/mailman/listinfo/> > > > > >
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