- From: Kerstin Probiesch <k.probiesch@googlemail.com>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 15:35:37 +0200
- To: "'Velleman, Eric'" <evelleman@bartimeus.nl>, <public-wai-evaltf@w3.org>
Regrets for this week. Cheers Kerstin > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Velleman, Eric [mailto:evelleman@bartimeus.nl] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2012 23:35 > An: public-wai-evaltf@w3.org > Betreff: EvalTF agenda > > Dear Eval TF, > > The next teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 5 juli 2012 at: > * 14:00 to 15:00 UTC > * 15:00 to 16:00 UK Time > * 16:00 to 17:00 Central European Time (time we use as reference) > * 10:00 to 11:00 North American Eastern Time (ET) > * 07:00 to 08:00 North American Pacific Time (PT) > * 22:00 to 23:00 Western Australia Time > > Please check the World Clock Meeting Planner to find out the precise > date for your own time zone: > - <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html> > > The teleconference information is: (Passcode 3825 - "EVAL") > * +1.617.761.6200 > * SIP / VoIP -http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim-SIP > > We also use IRC to support the meeting: (http://irc.w3.org) > * IRC server: irc.w3.org > * port: 6665 > * channel: #eval > > > AGENDA: > > #1. Welcome, Scribe > > #2. Questionnaire > Short discussion about the output of the questionnaire. > Reference: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/evaltfq3/ > > #3. Open issues for this Telco > > # DoC ID 3 – Use stronger language - CLOSED > > # DoC ID 6 (wrongly named 7 in earlier discussion)– Definition of > “website part” > Issue: The current definition is quite vague. It does not address the > notion of "website area" that it seems to reflect from its use within > the document. > Resolution: Change to: “A set of web pages within a website that > together provide common use or functionality. In some cases website > parts may have their own design, navigation, and web addresses. In some > cases website parts may not be directly managed by the website owners.” > Was: Web pages that serve the purpose and functionality of a website. > This > includes web pages that are part of the navigation, design, and > complete > processes of a website. > > Examples of website parts include web applications such as a web shop, > wiki, or blog, as well as functional and thematic areas of a website > such as the web pages for an organizational department, for a product, > or that is restricted with password. > > # DoC ID 7 – Clarify relation between goals and tool use – CLOSED > (We will keep it in mind and come back to it later) > > # DoC ID 8 – User involvement > One comment - Propose to close now with no change to proposed > resolution. The commenter will have ample opportunity to clarify his > comment in the next draft rounds. > > # DoC ID 9 - implicit/interpretable-from-reading > https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/evaltfq3/results#x2586 > Some of you indicated that it would be good to clarify the comment a > bit more before we try to close it. Shadi did this in the comments > field and there were some positive responses to that. He writes "I > think the issue is saying "determine who uses the website and how they > use it ... important to define if a website .... is restricted to > specific users"; Some people interpret this as a way to say "I > only/don't have blind users" or such, and exclude other audiences. What > we meant is the primary target audience and the context of use (public > website vs intranet etc.). I think this section needs to be rewritten > to avoid these misconceptions that have occurred." > > New Proposed Resolution: We will need to rewrite this section to avoid > misconceptions > New Rationale: What we meant is the primary target audience and the > context of use (public website vs intranet etc.). This section needs to > be rewritten to avoid these misconceptions that have occurred. > > # DoC ID 10 – Unstable techniques > https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/evaltfq3/results#x2613 > Proposed Resolution: We may not be able to address this issue in the > next draft but will add in the editor note for section 3.4 that says: > “EvalTF will attempt to provide clearer guidance on using > Sufficient/Failure Techniques in practice in later drafts”. Also we > will start a dialog with WCAG WG on this issue. > > # DoC ID 24 – Typo auxillary – CLOSED (change to auxiliary :-) > > # DoC ID 26: Appendix C more examples > https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/evaltfq3/results#x2614 > Because this comments seems to come back often for parts of the > document we still have to work on, Shadi proposes to clarify the status > of appendix C to the readers. That would lead to a small addition to > the proposed resolution. Let me know if you agree so we can close it > this thursday. > > Previous Resolution: No change for the moment > Previous Rationale: We will work on this section in more detail in > later editor drafts. > > New Proposed Resolution: No change, but add to editor note that this > section may change in later drafts depending on how the other sections > evolve. > New Rationale: To clarify status of this section to the readers > (otherwise we may receive the same comments over again with the next > publication). > > # DoC ID 29 – Sort of errors > https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/evaltfq3/results#x2630 > Shadi writes: We currently use the term "error" in several areas. We > should revise its use and think about what we mean by it. I'm not sure > that the longer "failures to meet one or more success criteria" > replacement is sufficient to resolve the underlying issue. Having said > that, I don't think we can resolve that until we actually have the > information in Step 5 about how we will aggregate "errors". > In some cases (esp. for "Basic Report") we will probably only want to > count by Success Criteria. This would result in statements like "X/Y > success criteria were met". In other cases (eg. for "Detailed Report") > we may want to actually count the instances of individual faults. This > would result in statements like "X/Y occurrences of success criterion Z > were met". > > Proposed resolution: No change for the moment. We will keep this > comment in mind when writing section 3.5 and then look back at earlier > sections. > > # DoC ID 31 – Template information > https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/evaltfq3/results#x2615 > We seem to have some discussion about templates here. We define > template in section 1.4 and additionally describe repetitive content in > the note in section 3.3. Question still open from the comment: Is there > content in the template? As we are talking about a full evaluation, I > would say yes. In my experience, evaluation commissioners can mostly > indicate pages on their website that use different templates (with > repetitive content). That would mean > Resolution: “no change” > Does this cover the discussion started by Richard with many +1 in the > questionnaire? > > #4. Other issues > > > Eric Velleman > EvalTF Facilitator
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