- From: Boland Jr, Frederick E. <frederick.boland@nist.gov>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:14:52 -0500
- To: Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de>, "public-wai-evaltf@w3.org" <public-wai-evaltf@w3.org>
Do we want to consider some sort of a "progress towards conformance statement" as a possible alternative to a conformance claim in our scoping discussions for certain sections of sites? ATAG had this in their latest public WD: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-ATAG20-20110721/#conf-prog-statement Don't know if any of the ideas expressed in this link would be applicable to our current discussion? Although we are talking about 100% conformance, maybe in our methodology we should somehow be encouraging conformance as well for portions of sites that are not 100% conformant? thanks and best wishes Tim Boland NIST ________________________________________ From: Detlev Fischer [fischer@dias.de] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:21 AM To: public-wai-evaltf@w3.org Subject: WCAG conformance claims, practical use case, a11y seals, Euracert example Am 30.01.2012 10:48, schrieb Alistair Garrison: > "The main goal is to define an internationally harmonised methodology > for evaluating WCAG 2.0 Conformance claims (for entire websites, > sections of websites, web applications, whole web pages, etc...)." Hi Alistair, hi list As I said before, I have no general problem with linking the scope of evaluation to the scope of the conformance claim, whether it be made for an entire site of for sections of a site (a micro-site, a shop, whatever). However, the rephrasing may be a bit confusing for those who see a conformance claim as the *result* of an evaluation (conducted according to the methodology) rather than something that is first stated and then checked (in-house or independently). As a reality check, it may help to consider our diverse (or not so diverse?) *practices* of consulting and evaluating. I am not sure how much common ground exists here. Just for starters, this would be *our* most common use case: 1. a site owner or web design agency wants help to ensure that their relaunch will be accessible (in formal terms, that it meets WCAG or the German BITV). We may look at screen designs and give first pointers to potential problem areas 2. The site exists as an HTML draft. It is tested (design support test) and the resulting report contains recommendations what should be changed to improve a11y (and by the same token, conformance) 3. The design agency works in changes suggested (or not). The site goes live. A final conformance test is carried out, and conformance is reached (or not): Depending on the success of the test, the site owner can apply our accessibility seal. (There is whole separate discussion about whether 'conformance' can be anything less than pure 100% of the sample - which is not the case in our scheme - but I suggest to leave that aside for the moment.) Lets briefly look at the accessibility seal, the tangible result for the site owner and its users. There are quite a few around (maybe you want to add to the list?): * the drempelvrij quality seal, the (NL) * the BITV-Test 90+ or 95+ seal (DE) * the Userite 1, 2, 3 accessibility certificate (UK) * the AnySurfer quality mark (BE) * the Access-for-all A, AA, AAplus certificates (CH) * the Technosite label (ES) This is all Europe - I am not sure whether there are similar seals in the US or Canada. A recognised weakness of a seal is that users may be led to believe that it confirms the a11y of the *entire* site, something that is hard to achieve in practice and over time even if the sample tested was large. Even when the seal is explicitly linked only to pages tested, with a disclaimer that it does not apply to other parts of a site, people may still misunderstand it. However, we should remember that users use the site to get something done, not to ponder on the relevance of accessibility seals somewhere at the bottom of the page. In practical terms, I guess there is little we (EVAL TF) can do to prevent the application of fantasy seals including words like "conforms to WCAG 2.0". There will be many more schemes out there, many of them less reputable than the ones listed abbove. At least I am not aware of a law that would prevent consultants or site owners to apply such fantasy seals. (An aside: our way to ground the seal ist to mandate a link to the full evaluation report.) Coming back to UWEM, it would be instructive to look at the fate (shall we say failure?) of the Euracert label ( http://www.euracert.org/ ) that was set up to offer a mapping of testing and consulting organisations' methodologies to UWEM 1.0. If I am not mistaken (correct me Eric if I am wrong), the idea was that any methodology that mapped onto the UWEM 1.0 test methodology would be able use the Euracert seal in addition to (or in place of) its home-grown seal. For some reason, the scheme never took off in a big way - I think it was just the Spanish company Technosite and the French organisation Association BrailleNet that used the Euracert label, the gallery just having 11 entries. Maybe a little post-mortem of the experience would be instructive for us? Regards, Detlev
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