- From: Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:39:55 +0200
- To: <public-wai-ert-tsdtf@w3.org>
Hi Shadi, At 16:21 30/08/2007, Shadi Abou-Zahra wrote: >Hi Tim, Christophe, all, > >I think Tim pointed out several things that need to be fixed in this >specific test sample. However, based upon his other review I assume >that these problems will be found in several test samples as we go >along. To save valuable time and effort I propose that we hold off >from doing any additional reviews and get the test samples fixed by >the BenToWeb folks who submitted them first. > >Christophe, if you agree then I would ask you as the facilitator to >contact the BenToWeb submitters and check if they could fix the samples. Consider it done! (I mean: contacting BenToWeb submitters...). Best regards, Christophe >Regards, > Shadi > > >Christophe Strobbe wrote: >>Hi Time, >>Thanks for the review. >> >>At 14:35 29/08/2007, Tim Boland wrote: >> >>>Initial "manual" review of sc1.2.1_l1_002: >>> >>> >>>Name and Email Address of the Submitter (File) Are Available - >>> >>>Not sure if files pass - >>>I could not name and email of submitter in the metadata file itself; the >>>submitter name is in the test sample list, but the email >>>associated with that submitter does not >>>appear to me to be the personal address of the submitter (rather a >>>generic email >>>address). (QUESTION: Should the name and email address of the submitter be >>>included in the metadata file directly? - if this has already been discussed >>>and I've forgotten, please accept my apologies). Similarly, I >>>could not find submitter >>>information in the actual file). >>Name and e-mail of the submitter are not specified in the metadata >>file but in the Test Sample Status List. When the test sample was >>submitted by or on behalf of BenToWeb, we use a generic and stable >>e-mail address, so that it is still possible to contact BenToWeb >>folks after the project ends. (See >><http://www.w3.org/2007/05/15-tsdtf-minutes.html#action01>.) >> >>>Organization on whose behalf the test sample (file) was submitted - >>> >>> >>>Not sure if files pass - this organization name is not given >>>explicitly in the >>>metadata file itself (although it is given in the list of test samples); the >>>organization may be derived by implication ("bentoweb") in >>>"xmlns"? (QUESTION: Should this >>>organization be included in the metadata directly? - if this has >>>already been >>>discussed and I've forgotten, please accept my apologies). >>>Similarly, I did not find the >>>submitting organization mentioned explicitly in the actual file, >>>but it may be derived by >>>implication from the "copyright" notification contained? >>The "organization" is BenToWeb; this is specified in parentheses in >>the "Submitter" column. >>The BenToWeb copyright notice in the test file needs to be removed >>because the materials are meant to be subject to W3C license after >>they are submitted. >> >>>Test Files >>> >>> >>>All the files that are necessary to execute the test procedure have been >>>submitted - >>> >>> >>>not sure? In the actual file, I could not locate (or get to play? the >>>file "sc1.2.1_l1_002.wmv", but maybe that's just me) Also, for >>>link in "files" containing a file in >>>subdirectory "testfiles", "sc1.2.1_l1_002.html", shouldn't the >>>path include subdirectory "video" >>> before the actual filename? >>It appears that the video file ended up in the wrong location: the >>'video' folder is supposed to be a subfolder of the 'resources' >>folder; we will need to fix that. >> >>> All the submitted files follow the naming convention and >>> directory structure - >>> >>> >>> >>>not sure? (see note just previous) Other naming conventions and directory >>>structure issues seem to be satisfied by these two submitted >>>files, except that the >>>required "techniques" element (from the metadata document) does >>>not seem to be included >>> in the metadata file? >>Indeed, the technique mapping needs to be added. >> >>>(NOTE: The lower- >>>case "l" and the number "1" may appear almost identical in certain >>>renderings - should >>>it be considered to use upper-case "L" which might be less confusing? Just a >>>thought..) >>>(NOTE: There are additional elements (for example, >>>"functionalOutcome" and "TestElement" - twice -) >>>included in the metadata file which were not mentioned (that I >>>could see) in the metadata >>>document.. Should these be mentioned in case they have inadvertent >>>"side-effects"?) >>testElements is OK (optional), but functionalOutcome needs to be removed. >>This also implies an action item for me to check and update the >>XSLT that converts TCDL 1.1 (from BenToWeb) to TSDTF metadata. >> >>>(QUESTION: "file" is "required" in the Test Samples Metadata >>>Document, but the four >>>choices afterwards "http: GetRequest", "http: PostRequest", >>>"http:PutRequest", and "http: HeadRequest" >>>are all "optional" - is it possible to have none of these four >>>choices included since they're all "optional"? >>>Perhaps the document can be reworded more precisely? In any case, >>>none of these strings is explicitly >>>included after the "file" element..) >>The xlink:href attribute is something I am a bit reluctant to >>remove from TCDL 2.0 until 'HTTP Vocabulary in RDF' is finalized. >>That said, for a simple GET request, which is what we have in this >>test, the file element should not use the xlink:href attribute but >>http:GetRequest. >>The intention is to get exactly one of http:GetRequest, >>http:PostRequest, http:PutRequest or http:HeadRequest. Should I >>tighten the wording in <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL>? >> >> >>>All the files include valid markup unless otherwise required by the test - >>> >>> >>>not sure? >>>I ran the metadata file through Oxygen validator, and result >>>indicated file was >>>valid, but I'm not sure whether I validated against schematron or >>>just XML schema?, >>>since I don't know Oxygen that well yet..). >>I don't know it either. I hope I will find some time to check in >>the next few weeks. >> >>>For the actual file, a check of the URL >>>against the new W3C Validator revealed four errors (was not valid >>>XHTML1.0 Strict - 1) line 11, >>>column 13: there is no attribute "src", 2) line 11, column 55: >>>there is no attribute "loop", 3) >>>line 11, column 72: there is no attribute "autostart", 4) line 11, >>>column 79: >>>element "embed" undefined. >>Hmm, I think the test file uses the embed as a fallback for >>browsers that don't support the object element. Either the valid >>markup requirement is a bit too tight or the purpose should mention >>why embed is used and that it should not be treated as invalidating >>the test file. Any thoughts? >> >> >>>All the files include correct links unless otherwise required by the test >>> >>>- not sure? It depends on what the definition of "correct" is in >>>this context.. The >>>links presented in the two files all seem reasonable, but might >>>need to check further.. >>The links are correct in theory, but the video file is not where it >>is supposed to be... >> >> >>>All the files include correct spelling unless otherwise required >>>by the test - >>> >>> >>>pass? A cursory examination reveals spelling seems to be correct. >>>I ran a spell >>>checkers on the metadata file and "HyperText" was an unrecognized >>>word (suggested >>>replacing with "hypertext")? >>I assume you mean "HyperText" in the specName element? That is the >>spelling used by the XHTML spec, so that's OK. Do we need to refine >>the spelling requirement? >> >> >>>Metadata >>> >>> >>> >>>All the dates and other integer or literal values have the correct format - >>> >>> >>>not sure? >>>It depends on what the definition of "correct" is in this context. A cursory >>>examination of the formats of such values indicate that they seem >>>reasonable, but bears >>>further examination.. >>> >>> >>>All static values (especially copyright notices) are included and accurate - >>> >>> >>>pass? Copyright notices are included in both files, but for the >>>metadata file, the >>>copyright notice seems to be W3C-related, whereas in the actual >>>file, the copyright >>>notice seems to be "BentoWeb" related.. I can't speak fully to the >>>accuracy of these >>>notices.. >>The copyright notices are currently only available in the example file at >><http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/scx.x.x_lx_xxx.xml> (which is referenced from >><http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL#resources>). >>The ISO Schematron file contains checks for these data. >> >>>(QUESTION: I notice "Microsoft" is mentioned explicitly in the >>>metadata file - >>>should there be some sort of attribution or other qualification as >>>to the use of a >>>company name in this way? There is a trademark on the XHTML >>>reference - maybe >>>something similar for Microsoft as well?) >>Your attention to detail is impressive! >>As far as I can make out, Microsoft uses a registered sign (R in a >>circle) after its name. I guess we need to fix this. >> >> >>>All titles, descriptions, and other required fields are included >>>and accurate - >>> >>> >>>pass for metadata file? - For the actual file, see notes >>>previous.. Need more >>>information on definition of "accurate".. >>I assume we use the normal dictionary meaning ;-) >>In my opinion the description is incomplete, because it does not >>say anything about the embed element. >>Best regards, >>Christophe >> >>>All identifiers (especially ID for techniques and rules) are used >>>correctly - >>> >>> >>>pass? The id attribute value "sc1.2.1_l1_002" seems reasonable and >>>consistent with >>>naming conventions, technique "G93" seems to be referenced >>>correctly, and the primary >>>rule seems to be consistent with the BentoWeb ruleset in terms of naming >>>(I assume the "WCAG2_20070517_1.2" and "media-equiv-captions" are >>>concatenated" >>>in the reference?) but didn't have time to check it further? >>> >>> >>>All structures such as rules, techniques, and pointers are used correctly - >>> >>> >>>not sure? It depends upon the definition of "correct" in these >>>contexts - the approach >>>seems reasonable, but without further definitions/specification >>>it's hard to tell? >>> >>>(COMMENT: It would be good to define precisely what "correct" >>>means, so that reviewers and >>>submitters have more information to "get it right") > >-- >Shadi Abou-Zahra Web Accessibility Specialist for Europe | >Chair & Staff Contact for the Evaluation and Repair Tools WG | >World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) http://www.w3.org/ | >Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), http://www.w3.org/WAI/ | >WAI-TIES Project, http://www.w3.org/WAI/TIES/ | >Evaluation and Repair Tools WG, http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/ | >2004, Route des Lucioles - 06560, Sophia-Antipolis - France | >Voice: +33(0)4 92 38 50 64 Fax: +33(0)4 92 38 78 22 | -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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