RE: RDF entries for Deque products (update)

Hi Shadi,

I'll accept that some automatic transformation tools _can_ be classified as "repair" tools, though I'd still prefer to classify them as authoring tools. The issue is that they can only produce accessible content IF the original document (PDF, Word, HTML, etc) is marked-up well with good structure etc in the first place. 

On 23 November I wrote:

"I also propose that format conversion tools such:
  * PDF to HTML Converter (Andrew)
  * Microsoft Power Point WWW Publishing Accessibility Wizard (Andrew)
  * Office 2000 HTML Filter (Andrew)
are not "web accessibility evaluation tools" either, and should also be dropped."

They are currently in the "HOLD" list. Do we need to reopen this discussion? 

I'll admit to being biased by the evaluation aspect of the collection.

What we need to be careful of if we include tools of this nature is that they are clearly identified as repair (only), and not confused with evaluation - most of the repair tools already included are in fact 'eval & repair'.

Cheers, Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Shadi Abou-Zahra [mailto:shadi@w3.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2006 7:25 AM
To: Andrew Arch
Cc: 'Carlos A Velasco'; public-wai-ert-tools@w3.org
Subject: Re: RDF entries for Deque products (update)


Hi Andrew, Carlos,

First, I disagree that Undoc is not a repair tool. One way of repairing inaccessible PDF files is converting them to HTML. On the other hand, I agree that generating HTML is mainly the responsibility of authoring tools.

We need to stay flexible and not be too narrow with our definition of "evaluation and repair tools". Let's try to work on criteria that will allow us to include (and promote) several variances of tools that help make Web sites accessible yet keep the list useful.

To me, this is not a straight forward question.

Regards,
  Shadi


Andrew Arch wrote:
> Hello Carlos & Shadi,
> 
> I agree that Deque Undoc is not an evaluation and repair tool - I actually consider it to be an Authoring Tool, especially when Deque say "Deque Undoc for PDF extracts PDF content, layouts and graphics and transforms them into well-structured XML and HTML".
> 
> I agree with Carlos that it should not be included in the current database.
> 
> Cheers, Andrew
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-wai-ert-tools-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-wai-ert-tools-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Carlos A
> Velasco
> Sent: Monday, 6 February 2006 7:38 PM
> To: public-wai-ert-tools@w3.org
> Subject: RDF entries for Deque products (update)
> 
> 
> Hi Shadi,
> 
> These are the entries for Deque products (according to their input). Two 
> issues:
> * According to the same problems of EARL, we shall not be using 
> dc:location for URIs.
> * IMHO, Deque Undoc is not an evaluation tool, just a PDF transformer.
> 
> regards,
> carlos
> PS: Sorry for the delay.

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