Re: Auto-wcag promotion and communication

Hello everyone

In France we have Urbilog and Temesis who have both developped automatic
accessibility software.

By the way there is a full list of existing tools on the W3C page.

Urbilog's OCAWA tool was used for over 10 years by France Telecom to help
in making their internal business apps accessible (a job I did for 3
years).  Our new tool Expert Fixer (named after an old tool of the same
name) is using an interesting browser based "page capture" technique and
feeding the results to an Expert System (a technique I mentioned before).

Not meaning to spam you all with publicity , but since the subject came up.


Apologies again for my constant absences from the call, but I will probably
be able to do more interactions by mail and Wiki now, even if I can't make
the calls very often.

Next week I will be at Paris WEB, in which there is a very strong
Accessibility thread, usually.  Anyone else there?   I'd be happy to spread
the word around.   Shadi I think you might be there actually, it seems we
have met there before

Best wishes everyone,

John


On 10 October 2014 13:45, Sharron Rush <srush@knowbility.org> wrote:

> I love that suggestion, thanks Katherine! How would we proceed?
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Katherine Mancuso <kmancuso@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> I've not really been engaged with WAI Engage yet though I monitor the
>> public list - I haven't had the time, alas.
>>
>> However, I am involved with the WordPress Accessibility team (copying in
>> Rian Rietveld & Joseph O'Connor)  - may I suggest we strategize together
>> around any effort you'd like to make around creating or using an accessible
>> WordPress theme and site for WAI Engage as part of OpenAIR?
>>
>> Working together could draw some excellent attention to the
>> much-underrated work of both teams :-)
>>
>> Katherine
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Sharron Rush <srush@knowbility.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings all,
>>>
>>> Great comments Wilco and I think consolidation of the vision and
>>> development of a unified communications strategy is really important and
>>> will strengthen the work immeasurably.  Whether we present at CSUN or not,
>>> it would be a great place to meet up in person since so many of us will be
>>> there, so please count me in for that. And Katie, I will be at TPAC as well
>>> so I can support you at that event as well.
>>>
>>> Additionally, if we decide to use the Wordpress site and develop a
>>> stronger web presence I wanted to remind the group that it is OpenAIR
>>> season, that time of year when teams of web professionals are competing for
>>> honors in building accessible sites for nonprofit groups.  We could be our
>>> own nonprofit project and benefit from the publicity of the AIR competition
>>> - also get the whole AIR community involved in this effort. reliable
>>> automated tools would be of great benefit to the teams.
>>> www.air-rallies.org
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Sharron
>>> --
>>> Sharron Rush | Executive Director | Knowbility.org | @knowbility
>>> *Equal access to technology for people with disabilities*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Wilco Fiers <w.fiers@accessibility.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the good meeting again. Sorry it was a bit chaotic, the
>>>> calls are getting quite full. Maybe we should start working with a queue
>>>> when we're on 6+ people. Anyway, what I wanted to talk about today was what
>>>> we should do about promoting and communicating the efforts of the group. I
>>>> think we've been around long enough and created enough content that we can
>>>> show people that we're serious about this stuff and that we're not going to
>>>> disappear any time soon. So maybe it's time to get a little more organized.
>>>>
>>>> So there's a couple of things which I'd like to hear all your thoughts
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> ---Website---
>>>> The nice people of the W3C have been so kind to give us a Wordpress
>>>> website. Up until now we've only done stuff on the wiki, but I think it
>>>> would be good if we used this website as well as more of a calling card for
>>>> what we do and why we do it. perhaps we could create a few pages on things
>>>> like our goals, why we think this work is valuable, how people can use our
>>>> work, what people can do to contribute, etc. Do we do anything with regard
>>>> to news or things like that?
>>>>
>>>> ---Twitter---
>>>> This was an excellent suggestion by Birkir. One way we can make our
>>>> work more visible is through Twitter. There are a lot of professionals in
>>>> our field that use Twitter, and this could be a great tool through which we
>>>> can connect the work different organisations are doing, and of course our
>>>> own work. So should we have a Twitter account? What should we use it for?
>>>> Who should update it?
>>>>
>>>> ---Approach Tool Developers---
>>>> We have been quite fortunate with the initial outreach we got when
>>>> launching the group. W3C's announcement of our group got a few great people
>>>> on our team who participate or have participated in projects related to our
>>>> work. I think the biggest benefit this group can provide is that we collect
>>>> all the things that have been used in different projects and share this.
>>>>
>>>> I've recently approached Jesse Beach, who I know through work with
>>>> Quail. She is currently the main developer of QuailJS and she'll be joining
>>>> us in the group. So are there other organisations / people we should try to
>>>> connect with to see if we can collaborate with?
>>>>
>>>> ---Presence at conferences--
>>>> Another important way to increase our visibility came from Birkir, who
>>>> proposed speaking at CSUN. We can, for starters, announce our existence and
>>>> explain the kind of work we are doing. But what other things would we like
>>>> to tell the world? The obvious one is to help tool developers. But what
>>>> about others? Are there broader themes we want to address and to speak
>>>> about? And if so what kinds of place do we want to take these to, and who
>>>> do we tell it to? Which breams me to the next point
>>>>
>>>> ---Vision---
>>>> And here is one I'm sneaking in, because I've been thinking about it a
>>>> lot and it has some relation to the subject. Do we all have the same idea
>>>> of where to go with this group. I have a pretty good idea for myself where
>>>> I'd like this group to go and what I'd like to achieve in the coming
>>>> year(s).
>>>>
>>>> I think automation of accessibility could be a great way to make
>>>> accessibility a more approachable subject for developers. I think
>>>> currently, the way most companies do accessibility (if at all) is by having
>>>> a team of dedicated accessibility experts audit their final project, or
>>>> maybe they are included in the project and check the work at the end of
>>>> each phase of the project.
>>>>
>>>> What could really help to improve this in my opinion is if these
>>>> developers would use automated tools to audit their code, the same way
>>>> they're using test suites, validators and linting tools. This hasn't really
>>>> worked well until now I think, because tools developers have had a very
>>>> hard time coming up with good tests. Which is where our work comes in of
>>>> collecting all of their best ideas and combining them. If we can get that
>>>> right, we might be able to break the 20% coverage barrier, and if we can
>>>> get more reliable results, and help tool developers to better integrate
>>>> their tools into the work flow of developers, we maybe could hope to
>>>> improve web accessibility through that.
>>>>
>>>> So what do you think? Am I messing things, either in this idea for the
>>>> group or in terms of our communication / presence?
>>>>
>>>> I'll be sure to dedicate a big chunk of next week's meeting to the
>>>> subject. Looking forward to hear your thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Wilco
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sharron Rush | Executive Director | Knowbility.org | @knowbility
> *Equal access to technology for people with disabilities*
>