Re: Captions/Subtitles terminology -- Re: WAI Curricula: Slight modification in the minutes

Hi Shawn,

Thanks for coming back to me with this issue.
I already agreed with Daniel that using the existing terminology and wording of the media resource is fine with me.

Best,

Estel·la Oncins Noguer
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From: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 0:13
To: Estel·la Oncins Noguer <Estella.Oncins@uab.cat>
Cc: wai-eo-editors@w3.org <wai-eo-editors@w3.org>; public-wai-curricula@w3.org <public-wai-curricula@w3.org>
Subject: Captions/Subtitles terminology -- Re: WAI Curricula: Slight modification in the minutes

Hi, Estel·la,

Daniel brought this up in EO Planning meeting today and I encouraged using the terminology and wording that we settled on for the main media resource, and maybe explicitly pointing to the explanation section:
* Page title is:
        Captions/Subtitles -- in https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/ and https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/captions/

* on first reference:
        captions (also called “subtitles”) -- in list on https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/\
        Captions (called “subtitles” in some areas) -- in summary of https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/captions/

        Captions (also called “intralingual subtitles”) -- in Introduction of https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/captions/#introduction

* longer explanation:
        The terms “captions” and “subtitles” are used for the same thing in different regions of the world ... Some regions use subtitles for both the same language as the audio and for the translation ... -- in this explanation section: https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/captions/#captions-and-subtitles


Hope that helps!

Best,
~Shawn

On 13-Apr-22 6:36 AM, Daniel Montalvo wrote:
> [+lists -Carlos. Archiving this for possible future reference].
>
> That's great, Estella, thanks.
>
> This is definitely a very complex issue because of the lack of harmonized terminology across different regions, among other things.
>
> Let's do our best to include everybody's background in here 😊
>
> Best.
>
> --
>
> Daniel Montalvo
>
> Accessibility Education and Training Specialist
>
> W3C/WAI
>
> *From:* Estel·la Oncins Noguer <Estella.Oncins@uab.cat>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2022 1:32 PM
> *To:* Daniel Montalvo <dmontalvo@w3.org>; Carlos Duarte <caduarte@campus.ul.pt>
> *Subject:* Re: WAI Curricula: Slight modification in the minutes
>
> Hey Daniel ,
>
> Sure it is fine for me. I am ok and aware of the wording.
>
> I always struggle with terminology Shawn knows that 🙂
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Best,
>
> Estel·la Oncins Noguer
>
> Post Doctoral Research Fellow TransMedia Catalonia
>
> Edifici MRA 126  - Campus UAB
>
> 08193 Bellaterra
>
> Barcelona
>
> T. +34 610 655 149
>
> orcid.org/0000-0002-0291-3036 <https://orcid.org/0000-0002-0291-3036>
>
> http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia <http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia/>
>
>
> <http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia/>
>
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> *From:*Daniel Montalvo <dmontalvo@w3.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2022 13:20
> *To:* Estel·la Oncins Noguer <Estella.Oncins@uab.cat>; Carlos Duarte <caduarte@campus.ul.pt>
> *Subject:* RE: WAI Curricula: Slight modification in the minutes
>
> Hey Estella.
>
> I can address the comment on plain language before the survey.
>
> The comment on terminology related to multimedia content, I am afraid that will require more discussion as EOWG has already settled down on a specific terminology and adjacent wording. This is why I mentioned the survey as a place for everybody (including other EEOWG participants) to provide their feedback. We had a similar discussion when dealing with designer module "Multimedia and Animations". My recollection from that is that we should follow overall EOWG approach.
>
> Are you happy for mee to archive this discussion in the EOWG editors list for future reference?
>
> Best.
>
> --
>
> Daniel Montalvo
>
> Accessibility Education and Training Specialist
>
> W3C/WAI
>
> *From:* Estel·la Oncins Noguer <Estella.Oncins@uab.cat>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2022 12:37 PM
> *To:* Daniel Montalvo <dmontalvo@w3.org>; Carlos Duarte <caduarte@campus.ul.pt>
> *Subject:* Re: WAI Curricula: Slight modification in the minutes
>
> Hey Daniel,
>
> Perfect! Thanks a lot. The terminology issue when dealing with accessibility services is always problematic. It is not that I want to use one term or another, it is more a question of having all views included. Following EOWG previous conversations I guess that only the term "captions" will be used.
>
> Same issue applies for module 1 ‘Clear content’ under topics to teach with the use of the term ‘Plain Language’, which is not included in the learning outcomes. Maybe it would be good to use ‘Easy to Understand language’ under topics to teach and made a mention to 'Plain Language' in the learning outcomes of this module.
>
> I guess that you will circulate a survey and I will introduce these comments.
>
> Best,
>
> Estel·la Oncins Noguer
>
> Post Doctoral Research Fellow TransMedia Catalonia
>
> Edifici MRA 126  - Campus UAB
>
> 08193 Bellaterra
>
> Barcelona
>
> T. +34 610 655 149 <tel:+34%20610%20655 149>
>
> orcid.org/0000-0002-0291-3036 <https://orcid.org/0000-0002-0291-3036>
>
> http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia <http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia/>
>
>
> <http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia/>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Daniel Montalvo <dmontalvo@w3.org <mailto:dmontalvo@w3.org>>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2022 11:46
> *To:* Estel·la Oncins Noguer <Estella.Oncins@uab.cat <mailto:Estella.Oncins@uab.cat>>; Carlos Duarte <caduarte@campus.ul.pt <mailto:caduarte@campus.ul.pt>>
> *Subject:* RE: WAI Curricula: Slight modification in the minutes
>
> Hey Estella and Carlos.
>
> Minutes are now updated.
>
> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/12-wai-curricula-minutes.html <https://www.w3.org/2022/04/12-wai-curricula-minutes.html>
>
> Estella, I just included there what you put in your previous email. Does this better explain what you were trying to get at?
>
> Best.
>
> --
>
> Daniel Montalvo
>
> Accessibility Education and Training Specialist
>
> W3C/WAI
>
> *From:* Estel·la Oncins Noguer <Estella.Oncins@uab.cat <mailto:Estella.Oncins@uab.cat>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2022 6:18 PM
> *To:* Carlos Duarte <caduarte@campus.ul.pt <mailto:caduarte@campus.ul.pt>>
> *Cc:* dmontalvo@w3.org <mailto:dmontalvo@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: WAI Curricula: Slight modification in the minutes
>
> Thanks a lot Carlos 🙂
>
> Estel·la Oncins Noguer
>
> Post Doctoral Research Fellow TransMedia Catalonia
>
> Edifici MRA 126  - Campus UAB
>
> 08193 Bellaterra
>
> Barcelona
>
> T. +34 610 655 149
>
> orcid.org/0000-0002-0291-3036 <https://orcid.org/0000-0002-0291-3036>
>
> http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia <http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia/>
>
>
> <http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia/>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Carlos Duarte <caduarte@campus.ul.pt <mailto:caduarte@campus.ul.pt>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2022 18:15
> *To:* Estel·la Oncins Noguer <Estella.Oncins@uab.cat <mailto:Estella.Oncins@uab.cat>>
> *Cc:* dmontalvo@w3.org <mailto:dmontalvo@w3.org> <dmontalvo@w3.org <mailto:dmontalvo@w3.org>>
> *Subject:* Re: WAI Curricula: Slight modification in the minutes
>
> Dear Estella,
>
> Sorry for mixing it up. Daniel, can you correct that?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
>
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 17:12, Estel·la Oncins Noguer <Estella.Oncins@uab.cat <mailto:Estella.Oncins@uab.cat>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Carlos and Daniel,
>
>     First of all thanks Carlos for the scribe today.
>
>     Just a slight modification in the minutes. For me it is not that "captions" and "subtitles" are different things, but they are different terms.
>
>     [17:55] <CarlosD> estella: for me captions and subtitles are different things
>
>     Captions is a term more used in anglophone countries, and subtitles, more specifically Subtitles for the Deaf and Hard-of-Hearing (SDH) is a term more used in European countries.
>
>     I just wanted to clarify this issue.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Estel·la Oncins Noguer
>
>     Post Doctoral Research Fellow TransMedia Catalonia
>
>     Edifici MRA 126  - Campus UAB
>
>     08193 Bellaterra
>
>     Barcelona
>
>     T. +34 610 655 149
>
>     orcid.org/0000-0002-0291-3036 <https://orcid.org/0000-0002-0291-3036>
>
>     http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia <http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia/>
>
>
>     <http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia/>
>
>
> --
>
> *Carlos Duarte*
>
> LASIGE, Faculdade de Ciências, Universidade de Lisboa
>
> Web: https://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~cad/ <https://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~cad/>
>
> Twitter: @carlosapaduarte
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