Minutes of WAI-CC meeting of 18 July 2018

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    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

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                   WAI Coordination Call Teleconference

18 Jul 2018

Attendees

    Present
           janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, jeanne, MichaelC, Judy, George,
           Brent, Katie_Haritos-Shea, tzviya

    Regrets
           KathyW, JimA

    Chair
           Judy

    Scribe
           jeanne, Judy, Ryladog

Contents

      * [2]Topics
          1. [3]scribe, rrsagent, agenda, next meeting date Aug 1
          2. [4]upcoming publications & announcements
          3. [5]TPAC, fyi diversity scholarships application closed
          4. [6]Webex accessibility, feedback, alternatives
          5. [7]Github accessibility, feedback re-gathering
          6. [8]two WAI charters with reviews open still, remind AC
             reps
          7. [9]review of silver requirements
             https://w3c.github.io/silver/requirements/
          8. [10]FYI AGWG process input, and what next, discussions
             underway
          9. [11]common architectural approach/batching for mathml,
             chemml, music?
         10. [12]any other follow-ups on WCAG 2.1/VPAT 2.1
             disambiguation? Thanks for
             https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/201
             8Jun/0010.html
         11. [13]Any WG or TF updates or infoshare?
      * [14]Summary of Action Items
      * [15]Summary of Resolutions
      __________________________________________________________

    <jeanne> scribe: jeanne

scribe, rrsagent, agenda, next meeting date Aug 1

    Judy: Next meeting is August 1, please inform on regrets

upcoming publications & announcements

    <George> regrets from George for aug 1

    Joanie: FPWD ARIA 1.2, Core AAM 1.2, ARIA Authoring PRactices
    1.2 this week

    Judy: Are the announcements done? Were those WDs pending
    Ralph's review?

    <MichaelC>
    [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/CG/Group/draft-announcements#aria-fp
    wd

      [16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/CG/Group/draft-announcements#aria-fpwd

    Michael: I sent draft announcements. I don't recall getting
    feedback on them.

    Judy: Since they are FPWD, we need to inform people.

    Michael: There is a blog post on the draft announcement page

TPAC, fyi diversity scholarships application closed

    Judy: The TPAC diversity scholarship application went out to
    the home page, chairs list and tweet channel. The applications
    closed on Sunday. There wasn't a separate notice to
    accessibility groups. Not everyone saw the announcements. There
    were people that applied from accessibility area.
    ... the pool of funds is small
    ... the application process has closed.
    ... we are learning from this round in case there is a future
    round.
    ... are there any questions?

    <Judy> s/a notice/any separate notice/

Webex accessibility, feedback, alternatives

    Judy: Thank you to George for bringing up the issue. People
    have mentioned accessibility problems with WebEx and I have
    asked what people are using with better accessibility.
    ... George has mentioned that Zoom has had better
    accessibility.
    ... W3C is piggy-backing on MIT's teleconferencing services
    which we get from being hosted by MIT. Another service would be
    an additional cost to W3C.
    ... we would need to document the problems and ways they could
    be addressed.
    ... George would like to run a test of Zoom for a future call.
    Maybe the next call?

    George: Zoom is excellent. Daisy, Deque, [others] are using
    Zoom. Very good features.
    ... when I am host, I can share my screen, share my audio, I
    can even do a live demonstration of the accessibility features
    of the website. Even the audio.
    ... lots of applications, and it is cheap. It has international
    dial-in numbers.

    Judy: WebEx has many of those features, but when we had tried
    testing it didn't seem have good screen reader support.

    Katie: Deque switched because it was better accessibility and
    was cheaper.
    ... there are CGs that are using Zoom.

    Janina: Is there only a web client or can I use SIP? If it is
    WebRTC based?

    Katie: YEs, it is WebRTC

    George: SIP - they have excellent tech support.

    Brent: Zoom has greatly improved the accessibility of the
    product. A screen reader user Brent knows says that WebEx and
    Zoom have similar features and that if he put the time into
    learning all the Zoom features, it would probably be a better
    experience.

    Judy: Please get any additional info about the practical side
    of using Zoom.
    ... Would people be interested in having the August 1 call be
    on Zoom?

    George: I won't be there on August 1

    <Ryladog> yes, when George can do it

    Judy: Let's try it when George is there, on August 15

    George: A university gave a list of accessibility problems with
    WebEx. I will connect Judy with them for a list of the
    problems.

Github accessibility, feedback re-gathering

    Judy: Github is another major tool that W3C uses. There is some
    progress on this.
    ... W3C would like to build a list of accessibility issues
    ... Michael has a list. Are they public?
    ... they mainly came from LV and COGA

    <Judy> scribe: Judy

    Jeanne: Silver TF has run into accessibility problems with
    GitHub

    <Ryladog> Wayne Dick has info on low vision issues with GitHub
    and uses his own style sheet

    Jeanne: both from LV Silver participants, and COGA Silver
    participants
    ... but FYI I had heard that MSoft had built a custom interface
    to their GitHub interface
    ... and I was trying to find out more info on that
    ... and right now I'm not up to date on the status of that
    project

    JB: was that for accessibility issues or otehr issues

    Jeanne: it was for usability plus accessibility

    Katie: and Wayne Dick has documented some accessibility issues
    and had to build his own style sheets

    <jeanne> George: The learning curve for parts of Git are a
    problem. We need to provide assistance to people who want to
    use pull requests.

    George: the learning curve for GitHub is pretty steep;

    <scribe> scribe: Jeanne

    Janina: There is arcane language, like "pull request"

    Jeanne: The command line interface is more sophisticated than
    the GUI.

    Judy: Jeanne, can you reconnect with the MS A11y working on GH?

    Jeanne: I was working through Angela Hooker in Microsoft, and I
    will ask her if W3C can connect with them about their issues.

    Judy: I will let you know the next steps.

    <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to talk about GH a11y issues

two WAI charters with reviews open still, remind AC reps

    <Ryladog> I did it today for Knowbility

    Judy: We still have charters open, please remind your AC rep to
    vote in favor of the charters. They close next week.
    ... we still don't have as comprehensive a response as I am
    hoping for.
    ... People may have thought they were the same request and not
    two separate charters.

    <Brent> Can you tell me if Pearson has responded.

    <Ryladog> Has Knowbility voted on APA?

    Michael: Janina and Joanie have been reminding organizations.
    There is an automated reminder a week before.

    Judy: I will talk to the Comm Team and tell them we need a
    clarification email that there are two separate charters.

    Joanie: Some organizations will do an internal review and often
    spend a week or more doing an internal review. When the charter
    first comes out, that's the best time to do the ping of the AC
    reps.

    Judy: Some large companies need to take a charter through legal
    review cycle because of the IP issues.

review of silver requirements
[17]https://w3c.github.io/silver/requirements/

      [17] https://w3c.github.io/silver/requirements/

    [18]https://w3c.github.io/silver/requirements/index.html

      [18] https://w3c.github.io/silver/requirements/index.html

    <Ryladog> scribe:Ryladog

    Jeanne: this is the second draft, we got really food feedback
    from AGWG
    ... Intro section is large, how it compares, then Opportuniies
    discovered during research
    ... turned research into Design ststaements, took to CSUN, have
    been working
    ... second section is the Design Principles that we wish to
    follow, 9 items
    ... specifically calls out LV in COGA
    ... then Requirments, which are simple. We will have 3 rounds
    ... prototypes, then Public Editors Draft, then we will do one
    more pass of Reqs before Charter
    ... the 4 are: 1. multiple ways to measure is meant to help
    COGS issues
    ... we will broaden the ability to measure, ie rubrics,
    usability testing
    ... 2. mpre flexible

    Judy: Did silver talk to the Acccessibilty Task Force for
    feedback
    ... want to include possibility for AI inclusion and AI tests;
    basically wondering whether "AI readiness" needs to be taken
    more into account in the Silver requirements
    ... User testing changes the conformance aspect

    Jeanne: we have, met at last TPAC, and MaryJo reviewed it at
    AccessU, and we are tryingto set up a meeting this week

    George: we have the Accessibility Checker for ePub, and the
    feedback we are gettingis that there are so many manual tests
    that it is a problem
    ... people want more automated tests

    JUdy: yes there are scalability concerns
    ... what is the Feedback cycle

    Jeanne: we are probably goingto do another draft in Aug

    <jeanne> ... please give feedback by 31 July

    <jeanne> scribe: jeanne

FYI AGWG process input, and what next, discussions underway

    <MichaelC>
    [19]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2018JulSep/
    0063.html

      [19] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2018JulSep/0063.html

    Michael: There was a an email sent to the working group
    ... it's a proposal for collecting input on how we can improve
    the process in a structured manner.
    ... there is another week of feedback on the proposal
    ... then we will open the window for public feedback

    Katie: I responded already to address the issues:

    Michael: It is mainly for AGWG, but there are stakeholders
    outside the group.
    ... there are multiple channels with varying levels of
    confidentiality
    ... there is a channel for confidential information even from
    the AGWG chairs and staff contact.

    <Ryladog> That is very good Michael, allowing anonymity

    Michael: the next step will be for the chairs to come up with a
    process that will be worked on in September-October
    ... we cannot fix every problem due to resources or conflicting
    priorities
    ... it will be an improvement, it will not be perfect.

    Judy: Good management of expectations
    ... it would be helpful to forward the note directly into the
    task forces.
    ... I look forward to hearing what the next steps will be.

common architectural approach/batching for mathml, chemml, music?

    <Ryladog> A VPAT 2.2 is coming soon for item 10

    Judy: defer to 4 weeks when George will be on the call.

    Janina: I will send some thoughts to WAI-CC list

    George: Diagramm Project has asked me to post questions aobut
    chemml. Can I post about it?

    Judy: Go ahead. I am interested to seeing of W3C could
    contribute to bringing ChemML onto the Web.

    Tzviya: I would like to talk aobut ChemML and publishing. I
    won't be here for 15 August.

any other follow-ups on WCAG 2.1/VPAT 2.1 disambiguation? Thanks for
[20]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2018Jun/0010.h
tml

      [20] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2018Jun/0010.html

    Judy: Shawn had put out a clarification.

    Katie: There are a couple pieces missing.

    Judy: Let's try to coordinate. I was talking at M-enabling and
    with people from Access Board. There was no coordination
    between VPAT 2.1 has nothing to do with WCAG 2.1
    ... can we set up the W3C Comm Team, the Access Board, and ITIC
    that clarifies that it isn't related to WCAG 2.1
    ... I will take the action item to coordinate a message.

Any WG or TF updates or infoshare?

    Judy: Please send updates to WAI-CC email list or agenda
    request for the next meeting.
    ... no burning issues

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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