- From: Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:34:40 -0500
- To: Florian Rivoal <florian@rivoal.net>
- Cc: "public-w3process@w3.org" <public-w3process@w3.org>, Wendy Seltzer <wseltzer@w3.org>, Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <bd38025b-dd89-7768-3189-ac322a63f90f@w3.org>
Florian,
Thanks for addressing my previous issues and rewriting Chapter 6. Here
are my review comments on the latest revision [1].
1. In several sections (starting with Section 3.1) there is a reference
to a future version of the Patent Policy. Since it is not yet written,
you refer to a draft PP that you wrote [2] that has not yet been
approved by PSIG which differs from the existing patent policy. Since
we have heard that the attorneys have a specialized legal vocabulary in
terms of how they approach this, I encourage you to work with Wendy to
see if all of the references to [2] are helpful to PSIG. For situations
in which [2] does not differ from the current PP (I'm not sure the
frequency) we should consider referencing the current PP to reduce how
much "change" will need to be gronked by PSIG reviewers.
2. I still don't like "Extensible". Several alternatives were
proposed. What is our process to bikeshed the name?
3. 5.2.6. There has been discussion in the W3Process CG that it might
make more sense to allow every WG to decide what to designate as an
Extensible REC rather than having this done in the Charter. While I
don't feel strongly, I felt that this opinion was getting greater
traction from reviewers. Taking that path might simplify some of the
Process document text.
4. My previous (4 November) comment about reference drafts - which you
acknowledged should be looked at with the new PP.
/5.2.6. Reference Drafts. Just a note. I haven't yet understand
the full definition of "Patent Review Draft", so I cannot tell if
its use to replace "Reference Draft or CR" is all-encompassing. In
particularly I'm concerned about migration - i.e. adoption of
documents in new charters produced after Process2020 with the new PP
- where the Reference Drafts are covered by Process 2019 and the
current PP./
5. 6.1. I like the new clean definition of Recommendations. I see that
the definition incorporates key aspects of the gravitas of a REC: wide
review, implementation experience, consensus. It omits (explicit)
mention of other aspects such as demonstration of interop, AC review,
etc. I'm not sure how long to make this definition - I note that PLH
once documented 18 features of a REC - but we should discuss somewhere
the right characteristics for this formal definition.
6. 6.1.1 (this might be a nit). There is a paragraph at the end about
how every report is edited by editors in a group appointed by a chair.
I'm not sure this is true anymore since Errata can be done elsewhere
(e.g. in a CG), and if there is no WG, the team can take such a
document, get Director approval, and generate a new REC.
7. 6.1.2. Second paragraph. Second sentence. I'm not sure this is
true. Even if true, I'm not sure it is needed in the process doc.
8. 6.1.6. It is not clear to me why there is no MUST get commitments
for Class 3 changes. I think that this section of the Process doc
should also get PSIG review.
9. 6.2. I think we have a capability now for Documents to come in at CR
level (i.e. CR = FPWD for those documents). I don't know if that is
clear enough in the process doc. We are using it, for example, for DOM
and HTML.
10. 6.2. CRUD. I thought we were going to work on the acronym.
11. 6.2. Rescinded CR. I'm not clear on why we need that. We seem to
have too many states already. Can we just call it a Note?
12. 6.2.2, 6.2.4, 6.2.4.1 (and maybe some other sections) are hard to
follow in the diff because the diff is for the particular section
number, not for the equivalent content. I'm pretty sure I have not
given a substantive review. Is there a way to fix the diff?
13. 6.2.3. Not clear to me why class 3 and class 4 changes are treated
separately. I think they should be the same. Plus, some of the
differences seem weird (class 4 changes must be public; but not class 3?).
14. 6.2.4. Same question why class 3 and class 4 is treated differently.
15. 6.2.8.2. It seems the title of the section should be about a CRUD
(or whatever better name we come up with) rather than an UD.
16. In my previous review, I expressed that I didn't understand why we
are treating class 3 changes (6.2.11.3) and class 4 changes (6.2.11.4)
differently. I continue to be concerned that we have too many branches
in the process, with little additional advantage - compared to the
alternative of using the 6.2.11.4 process for both class 3 and class 4.
I could not find a compelling response to my previous comments, so I
restate them here.
17. 6.2.11.5 Last Call for Review of Proposed Additions/Corrections. In
my previous review, I expressed that this LCRPA/C was an unnecessary
introduction of a new type of review. I had proposed that instead, the
document should enter the Proposed Extensible REC state, which should
automatically trigger an AC review. Here again, I could not find a
response in our previous thread.
Jeff
[1]
https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https://w3c.github.io/w3process/&doc2=https://w3c.github.io/w3process/everblue#Reports
[2] https://patent-policy.rivoal.net/
Received on Wednesday, 27 November 2019 21:34:44 UTC