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Re: Followup to "Supergroups" message to AC Forum

From: Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:33:56 -0400
To: Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>, public-w3process@w3.org
Message-ID: <82dfebb9-f81a-9229-6142-b38f12aecd4d@w3.org>


On 7/5/2016 11:21 AM, Daniel Glazman wrote:
> On 05/07/2016 15:03, Jeff Jaffe wrote:
>
>> But at the end of the day, the way the W3C process is set up, it is the
>> responsibility of the Working Group to move reports through the process
>> towards the recommendation.  That makes it the WGs responsibility to
>> enable, empower, cajole, pressure, all stakeholders to do the work
>> necessary to move the work forward.  Having milestones can be a useful
>> marker - it represents the consensus of the WG of what they believe
>> should get done and it can be used with stakeholders as part of the
>> process to enable, empower, cajole, and pressure.
> Pressure? Wow, wow, wow. Jeff, do you really expect Chairs can
> "pressure" browser vendors if what Chairs are asking for is not line
> with vendors' current strategy? Do you remember what it took to
> block - and only for a while - the prefix issue?

I was merely enumerating different verbs that apply in different 
circumstances.

>
> Responsibility of the "Working Group"? But Jeff, a WG is only the
> sum of its Members! Tell the AC-Reps, not the Chairs...
>
> Only the Consortium itself can put pressure here, and I really mean
> W3M through the Process and we did ask PLH to intervene a few times in
> the past. But even W3M's help can be void if vendors reply they have
> more important stuff on their radar at that time.
> And we have no provision saying, for instance, that a CR that
> remains more than 6 months at that stage should go back to WD or even
> be removed from TR/. Such a threat would not even be effective, that's
> our "good enough to ship" issue.

I don't see that we have any disagreements on the imperfect levers to 
move things forward nor on the absence of a W3C Police Force to enforce 
the will of the consortium.

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> </Daniel>
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