Re: [Issue-101] Replacement for the other of the diagrams in the Process document

On 10/8/2015 1:55 PM, Wayne Carr wrote:
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> On 2015-10-06 21:18, Jeff Jaffe wrote:
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>> On 10/6/2015 11:50 PM, Stephen Zilles wrote:
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>>> See below
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>>> *From:*Jeff Jaffe [mailto:jeff@w3.org]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* Stephen Zilles; public-w3process@w3.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Issue-101] Replacement for the other of the diagrams 
>>> in the Process document
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>>> Steve,
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>>> In CR, if there are substantial changes we stay in CR; but if there 
>>> are very substantial changes we go back to WD.
>>>
>>> Have we defined the difference between substantial changes and very 
>>> substantial changes?
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>>> */[SZ] No, IMO it is up to the WG to decide whether the changes 
>>> would take a document out of CR. The most obvious reason would be 
>>> that there need to be major implementation changes and, therefore, 
>>> the document is not really ready for implementation (the 
>>> anachronistic definition of CR) anymore. If the changes involve 
>>> implementation tweeks and the participants agree that they should be 
>>> made, then those are substantive, but not “very substantive”. If you 
>>> think putting in some text like that would be useful, it could be 
>>> proposed/*
>>>
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>> I wasn't making a proposal.  I was just trying to make sense of the 
>> terms in the proposed diagram.  Your explanation doesn't make it 
>> clear enough (at least for me).
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> It's defined in the process doc.  I think the wording in the diagram 
> is to refer to:
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> http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#substantive-change
> It is 3 Corrections that do not add new features and 4 New features.
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> Here's the section that says what happens in those cases PR for 3 and 
> FPWD for 4.
> http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#revised-rec

I know that substantive change is defined in the process document. That 
wasn't my question.

The diagram differentiates between substantive change and very 
substantive change.  I don't see any such definition in the process 
document.

Perhaps you are arguing that substantive change is "3 Corrections" and 
very substantive is "4 New features".  If that is the intent, I would 
prefer to use that language in the diagram.

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> Maybe "feature modifications" or "feature tweaks" instead of 
> substantive and "new features" instead of very substantive for the 
> diagram ?
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>>> *//*
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>>> */Steve Z/*
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>>>
>>> Jeff
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>>> On 10/5/2015 10:17 PM, Stephen Zilles wrote:
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>>>     A proposed, revised replacement for diagram in sections 6.7 of the 2015 Process Document
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>>>        http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#revised-rec
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>>>     is attached.
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>>>       
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>>>     Comments are welcome
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>>>       
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>>>     Steve Z
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