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Re: Process CG process question - was RE: Agenda Process Document Task Force Tuesday, 2 June 2015

From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 13:50:11 -0700
Cc: "Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH)" <Michael.Champion@microsoft.com>, Stephen Zilles <szilles@adobe.com>, "public-w3process@w3.org" <public-w3process@w3.org>
Message-id: <027E0B9F-DFC3-48F8-BFB0-D576E2C3F8FA@apple.com>
To: Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>

> On Jun 1, 2015, at 12:28 , Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org> wrote:
> I think we have a larger issue than just the scheduling of the meetings.  We have not gotten engagement that all of the changes we are proposing are worth doing.

Also, we schedule to allow Asian reps to attend, but do we get many? Though I suppose changing it so that they are *less* likely to attend is also sub-optimal.

> We just completed a ballot for Process2015.  19 AC Members favored the changes and there were 4 Formal Objections.  Well over 300 AC Members chose not to vote.  There is an AB call in two weeks, and the AB will need to decide how to proceed.  Given the tiny participation and the quantity of objections it is not obvious that there is sufficient consensus to move forward.
> To those of us who are active in this activity, we need to work hard to make sure that we are making changes that are valued by the constituency.


But I can’t tell whether it’s “don’t care either way” or “seems competently handled, ignore it” or “this is minor staff, who cares?”. I think this year’s cleanup was mostly in the last of these, apart from the one change that got 4 FOs.  Though I am surprised that a change that got 4 FOs did not get a reasonable number of other votes.

I fear we may need to ask the AC...

> Jeff
> On 6/1/2015 3:22 PM, Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
>> There has been pretty limited participation on this call for the last few months, which is at 7am Pacific and late evening in East Asia.  Is it time to consider a more “asynchronous decision making” mode for this CG?
>> From: Stephen Zilles [mailto:szilles@adobe.com] 
>> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:55 AM
>> To: public-w3process@w3.org
>> Subject: Agenda Process Document Task Force Tuesday, 2 June 2015
>> The call is on Tuesday, 2 June, 2015 at  14:00-15:00 UTC (10:00am-11:00am Boston local)
>> Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference code 7762 ("PROC")
>> IRC Channel: #w3process
>> For residents of other (typical) time zones the start times were:
>> Pacific:  7:00
>> Eastern US: 10:00
>> Central Europe: 15:00
>> Japan: 23:00 
>> The purpose of these meetings has been to agree on the resolution of open issues, close them where possible or assign actions to move toward closure.
>> Agenda:
>> 1.       Review Open Action Items
>> https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open
>> 2.       Review results of AC Review on Proposed Process 2015
>> 3.       Review Open and Raised Issues relevant to Process 2016
>> List of such to be sent in separate message
>> 4.       Review other Open and Raised Issues
>> http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/
>> 5.       Any Other Business
>> Steve Zilles
>> Chair, Process Document Task Force

David Singer
Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
Received on Monday, 1 June 2015 20:50:40 UTC

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