Re: Can we discuss ISSUE-140 (description of Team) please

On 10/7/2014 3:11 AM, chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote:
> 07.10.2014, 02:07, "David (Standards) Singer" <singer@apple.com>:
>> On Oct 6, 2014, at 15:12 , chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote:
>>>   06.10.2014, 18:10, "David (Standards) Singer" <singer@apple.com>:
>>>>   <http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#Team>
>>>>
>>>>   I think we should look at what it says,
>>>   Indeed. I did.
>>>>   and work out:
>>>>
>>>>   * what roles are used by the process, and therefore need defining here
>>>   There are two roles used - "the Team" (e.g. when W3C wants to set conditions, they are typically set by "the Team") and "the Director" (when a decision is made, it is typically made by "the Director").
>>>>   * what text is still useful, and should be somewhere else
>>>>   * what is out of date, redundant, or un-needed, and can be lost
>>>   Beyond the sentence that says who the Team is, specific things the Team or Director does or is obliged to do are stated in the relevant part of the Process. The rest is just nice things about what the Team might do with the rest of their time, which I don't think are relevant to the Process.
>>>>   I am not sure that the first is covered by a single sentence
>>>   My conclusion is that the first is covered by a single sentence, that the second is answered by "enough to say who the Team is - probably a whole sentence", and the third covers everything beyond the first sentence.
>> I guess it’s hard to tell without seeing the proposed edit and single sentence.
> Change
> [[[
> The Team consists of the W3C paid staff, unpaid interns, and W3C Fellows. W3C Fellows are Member employees working as part of the Team; see the W3C Fellows Program [PUB32]. The Team provides technical leadership about Web technologies, organizes and manages W3C Activities to reach goals within practical constraints (such as resources available), and communicates with the Members and the public about the Web and W3C technologies.
>
> The Team is led by the Director, W3C Chair, and Chief Operating Officer. These individuals MAY delegate responsibility (generally to other individuals in the Team) for any of their roles described in this document.
>
> The Director is the lead technical architect at W3C and as such, is responsible for assessing consensus within W3C for architectural choices, publication of technical reports, and new Activities. The Director appoints group Chairs and has the role of "tie-breaker" for questions of Good Standing in a Working Group or appeal of a Working Group decision. The Director is generally Chair of the TAG.
>
> The W3C Chair leads Member relations, and liaisons with other organizations, governments, and the public.
>
> The Chief Operating Officer (COO) leads the operation of W3C as an organization: a collection of people, Host institutions, and processes.
>
> Team administrative information such as Team salaries, detailed budgeting, and other business decisions are Team-only, subject to oversight by the Host institutions.
>
> Note: W3C is not currently incorporated. For legal contracts, W3C is represented by three "Host" institutions: the European Research Consortium for Informatics and Mathematics (ERCIM), Keio University, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). Within W3C, the Host institutions are governed by joint sponsorship contracts; the Hosts themselves are not W3C Members.
> ]]]
>
> to
> "The Team consists of the W3C paid staff, unpaid interns, and W3C Fellows."
>
> Because there are no further normative statements, and I believe everything else is either nice to know but irrelevant to the Process, or covered in more detail in the relevant section.

There may be a few additional points worth making.

1. Since W3C Fellows have a unique role (they are part of the Team, but 
paid by Members), we might say a bit more about them.

2. Since the Director has a large role in the W3C process, I think it is 
worthwhile to mention the Director and list some of his formal powers 
(as is done).

3. Since the CEO is the Chair of the AB (for the governance part of the 
Process), we should mention the CEO.

4. We can define the Team elsewhere and have the word Team link to that.

5. The delegation sentence is important.  There are many roles that are 
assigned to the Director.  Since the current Director delegates much of 
this, it is important to have that authority in the document.

6. The non-normative part about the role of the Chair and COO 
(outdated), I don't feel strongly about.

7. There has been some confusion, discussion, and misunderstanding about 
the "Hosts".  It is not clear that we should eliminate all mention of 
them from the process document - AC have generally felt they need more 
information about Hosts.


>
> cheers
>
>>>   Hence my proposal.
>>>
>>>   Cheers
>>>
>>>   Chaals
>>>>   On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:00 , chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote:
>>>>>    Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>    ISSUE-140 says "the description of the team is out of date".
>>>>>
>>>>>    More to the point, beyond noting that the Team consists of Staff, including interns and Fellows, I don't think it serves any actual purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>>    I would like to propose that we trim it down to a single sentence. Can we open the issue and put it on the agenda please?
>>>>>
>>>>>    cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>    Chaals
>>>>>
>>>>>    --
>>>>>    Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>>>    chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
>>>>   David Singer
>>>>   Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>>>   --
>>>   Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>   chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
>> David Singer
>> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
> --
> Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
> chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
>

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