- From: Deborah Dahl <Dahl@conversational-Technologies.com>
- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 12:57:05 -0400
- To: <public-voiceinteraction@w3.org>
- Cc: <hugues.sansen@telecom-sudparis.eu>
Today's call featured a guest presentation from Hugues Sansen (a colleague of Gerard Chollet) from Telecom Sudparis about his work on an AI companion that essentially records your life, as I understand it. He discussed some interesting problems concerning privacy issues around the information recorded by this application. Hugues and Gerard provided some links with additional information, which I've included in the minutes. Our next steps will be to review this information and then decide how we can make use of it in the Voice Interaction Community Group. Please let me know if there's anything missing or incorrect in the minutes. There was a question about joining the mailing list -- this can be done by following the "Join or leave this group" link on our home page, https://www.w3.org/community/voiceinteraction/. The formatted minutes can be found at https://www.w3.org/2024/04/10-voiceinteraction-minutes.html, and are listed as text below. [1]W3C [1] https://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Voice Interaction 10 April 2024 [2]IRC log. [2] https://www.w3.org/2024/04/10-voiceinteraction-irc Attendees Present debbie, dirk, gerard, hugues Regrets Dirk Chair debbie Scribe ddahl Contents Meeting minutes debbie: explains interoperability hugues: this is dangerous because your personal assistant knows a lot of information that is private . I don't know how to teach a machine the different layers of privacy gerard: need to anonymize the question hugues: I love the idea hugues: I am developing two things. I am developing a simple, rule-based dialog system in the interests of getting something to work rapidly . when I get the answer from the person I will analyze it in an embedded AI . from that I build a Knowledge Graph of the person, then I can query the KG about the person to build the life of the person to be able to write my bio . you can tell things to the ghost writer that you don't want to be disclosed to certain people. The human ghost writer can understand that but I don't know how to tell that to the machine. . if I give my companion my credit card PIN, it can buy something, but I don't want anyone else to get my PIN . people are not supposed to access my companion without authorization, or understand different levels of privacy . you can't be sure that people will respect different levels of confidence gerard: we have to trust our major-dome "personal assistant" . like Knowledge Navigator hugues: how to define rules to keep information secure . the KG can mark information as private by adding links to each vertex to indicate level of privacy . from 1-10 . the issue is in a dialog not everything is private, and it's hard to say "this is private" . the issue is that you might develop too much confidence in the companion . this happens with humans, you might say things that you forget are private. debbie: link? hugues: no, but arxiv paper to be presented next week gerard: presented this work at Conversational Interaction two years ago with Speech Morphing hugues: what is new is that now we are taking advantage of embedded AI . now we are asking for weather, Wikipedia information . my own data are not public . I've been thinking about this kind of interaction for a long time . there is semantics attached to privacy, for example, I know some things in the defense industry, but they don't want to talk about at home [3]https://hal.science/hal-04378982/document [3] https://hal.science/hal-04378982/document hugues: this is a very complex subject . for example, in the defense industry, they compartementalize information . this is a recurring question [4]https://dumas.ccsd.cnrs.fr/TELECOM-SUDPARIS/hal-04392089v1 [4] https://dumas.ccsd.cnrs.fr/TELECOM-SUDPARIS/hal-04392089v1 debbie: two problems how to designate private information in the KG, and how to tell companion that some information is private hugues: should companion ask the user if information is private debbie: sometimes you want the companion to buy things for you . for example, Alexa can buy things for you . could you just ask the user to tell the companion to keep certain information private? hugues: yes, within a session . there is a big problem with the definition of privacy debbie: a lot of people want to tell you about AI and privacy, but I don't know if they have a clear idea hugues: you can keep all information in a closed box hugues: the simple fact that your companion connects to something means something . I'm now working on a closed system, that doesn't connect to the cloud, everything is kept inside the box . mostly I query the system myself . from that information I can build a biography of the user, when the system writes a biography of the person certain information needs to be kept out . some information can be provided to my wife, children dirk: do you label the information? hugues: the different kinds of information are recorded in the KG . in a graph you have many roads to a certain point, you might get to the information from an unprotected path . the user has to say "this information has to be protected" . I used to work for the defense industry, we knew that everything in a room has to be confidential, and it's still confidential after we leave the room . how can a machine understand that? [5]https://hal.science/hal-00611090 [5] https://hal.science/hal-00611090 dirk: also have to consider trusted environment hugues: in a trusted system we can make rooms so that the system cannot disclose certain things hugues: say I want to buy trousers, the seller will recommend trousers based on my skin color, eye color, information that I would like to keep confidential dirk: you can derive confidential information from other information that you already know . privacy is a lot more than on/off . very interesting work [6]https://hal.science/hal-04181551 [6] https://hal.science/hal-04181551 [7]https://www.conversationalinteraction.com/_files/ugd/ dbc594_69b6e727f5c64020afdc801291a133fc.pdf [7] https://www.conversationalinteraction.com/_files/ugd/dbc594_69b6e727f5c64020afdc801291a133fc.pdf debbie: we should take a few weeks to take a look at these papers and invite hugues back dirk: how can we make use of this work? hugues: it is not because we don't have the answers that we shouldn't do the work . it is a matter of semantics debbie: can send hugues the link to subscribe hugues: this is the most important subject in AI Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by [8]scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC). 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