Re: Question about schema.org in a triple store?

Hello Everyone,
as the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 
<https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/> License states you can 
do anything with the  Schema classes and properties what you like: put 
them in your triple store, mix them with other ontologies, use them im 
your software, ...

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Am 16.07.2014 09:48, schrieb Marc Twagirumukiza:
> Hi there,
> +1  Bernard.
> I would debate this topic of  reusing schema.org predicates and 
> classes in other vocabularies in two ways:
> One, purely licence level. There, like my colleague am not a lawyer 
> but I think we need to handle this in simple way: schema.org would 
> decline any responsibility of any use of the predicates/classes beyond 
> defined EUL. No prevent to re-use but this doesn't bind schema.org 
> terms and conditions.
> The second level is at scientific/consistency level: e.g. schema.org 
> documentation says: "It is also explicitly not a goal to support 
> automated reasoning, medical records coding, or genomic tagging, all 
> of which would require substantially more detailed (and hence high 
> barrier-to-entry) modeling and markup". Currently schema.org is being 
> largely used in clinical model patterns-despite this statement, but 
> again here it's at  user's risk.
> Further discussions on this may be required.
>
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> From: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>
> To: "martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org" <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
> Cc: Lloyd Fassett <lloyd@azteria.com>, Melvin Carvalho 
> <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, W3C Web Schemas Task Force 
> <public-vocabs@w3.org>
> Date: 16/07/2014 09:22
> Subject: Re: Question about schema.org in a triple store?
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>
> Hi all
>
> And what about reusing _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>predicates and 
> classes in other vocabularies?
> See 
> _http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/details/vocabulary_schema.html_for 
> various (and growing) use and reuse cases. When the copyright ontology 
> (of all vocabularies) at 
> _http://rhizomik.net/ontologies/copyrightonto.owl_asserts that 
> cro:PublicPlace rdfs:subClassOf  schema:Place
> Does it bind by _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>terms and conditions?
> And when I copy this triple here, do I?
>
> There are so many ways a vocabulary class and predicate can be used, 
> either in the open Web or in data or application silos, that it seems 
> impossible to enforce any kind of terms of use. Should every triple 
> using a _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>element assert its 
> provenance? It seems a completely unrealistic requirement. Disclaimer 
> :I'm not a lawyer, far from it ...
>
>
>
>
> 2014-07-15 23:51 GMT+02:00 _martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org_ 
> <mailto:martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org><_martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org_ 
> <mailto:martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>>:
> On 15 Jul 2014, at 23:21, Lloyd Fassett <_lloyd@azteria.com_ 
> <mailto:lloyd@azteria.com>> wrote:
>
> > Melvin, Martin,
> >
> > I'm glad this thread started as it seems clear to me that the 
> license for Schema only applies to publishing information and have 
> been meaning to bring it up.  I believe it's related to what Melvin is 
> asking as his use case is also an 'other than publishing' issue. 
>  There seems to be no right to consume or use Schema markup in the 
> license other than to publish information using the markup.
> >
> > The key part from the license is
> >
> > "These Terms of Service govern your use of the Website, which 
> contains a schema specifying a vocabulary you can use in a web document "
> >
> > and then that part is covered by CC-AS3.
> >
> > Am I right?  We can only publish but not consume or use the markup 
> in any other way?
>
> I think there are THREE main scenarios:
>
> 1. Use _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>to mark-up your content. This 
> scenario is well-covered by the existing terms.
>
> 2. Use _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>as a data structure in other 
> scenarios, like software applications, protocols, etc. In this 
> scenario, it is particularly unclear whether the resulting software is 
> subject to the "share-alike" requirement.
> It would be nice if the sponsors of _schema.org_ 
> <http://schema.org/>could clarify this in order to foster innovation.
>
> 3. Consume Web content from third party sites that are marked-up using 
> _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>. In this scenario, you use 
> _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>AND content from third parties. The 
> sponsors of _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>cannot grant you any 
> rights on other people's site content.
>
> In scenarios 2 and 3, you may also be violating patents held by the 
> sponsors of _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>or third parties. In 
> scenario 1, the sponsors of _schema.org_ <http://schema.org/>will 
> grant you a "an option to receive a license under reasonable and 
> non-discriminatory terms without royalty, solely for the purpose of 
> including markup of structured data in a webpage, where the markup is 
> based on and strictly complies with the Schema.".
>
> Best wishes / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
> Martin Hepp
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