- From: Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:17:33 -0600
- To: "Barker, Phil A" <Phil.Barker@hw.ac.uk>
- Cc: Vicki Tardif Holland <vtardif@google.com>, GUANGYUAN PIAO <parklize@gmail.com>, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>, Aaron Bradley <aaranged@gmail.com>, Public Vocabs <public-vocabs@w3.org>
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Most practically, could we be discussing labeled edges of a path in a graph? On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> wrote: > > Regional variation and semantic differentiation! > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Course_%28education%29 > > > In the United Kingdom, Australia and Singapore, a *course* is the > entire programme of studies required to complete a university > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University> degree, and the word "unit" or > "module" would be used to refer to an academic course in the North American > sense. > > > In between the two, in South Africa, a course officially is the > collection of all courses (in the American sense, these are often called > "modules") over a year or semester, though the American usage is common. In > the Philippines, a course can be an individual subject (usually referred to > by faculty and school officials) or the entire programme (usually referred > to by students and outsiders). > > ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Course_%28education%29#Types_of_courses > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Barker, Phil A <Phil.Barker@hw.ac.uk> > wrote: >> >> >> Hi Vicki >> >> 1. Courses can comprise Courses. This is especially important at >> Universities that recruit into and award certificates for programmes >> (Courses) that are built from modules (Courses). >> >> > Can you give an example of this? It may be better to model these as >> different types rather than trying to mash >> > them together. The programmes type could then include the modules. >> >> I see from Stuart's comment on the Google doc that US Universities may do >> this differently, and I mentioned before that terminology is difficult, so >> I'll pick an example as close to home as possible, and I will use the terms >> that we use and have used here. >> >> Heriot-Watt University advertises and enrols students into programmes >> see http://www.hw.ac.uk/study/course-a-z.htm for examples specifically >> G400 Computer Science BSc >> http://www.undergraduate.hw.ac.uk/programmes/G400/ >> G560 Information Systems BSc >> http://www.undergraduate.hw.ac.uk/programmes/G560/ >> Information Technology (Business) MSc/Diploma >> http://www.postgraduate.hw.ac.uk/prog/msc-information-technology-business-/ >> (At HW we call these programmes, but I think the most common term for >> them in the UK is courses, the most common way for UK students to apply for >> undergraduate study is through UCAS, http://search.ucas.com/ which calls >> them courses). >> >> The Heriot-Watt Information Systems programme comprises several courses >> (more generally known in the UK as modules or units). Students cannot sign >> up for these unless they are enrolled on a relevant programme and so they >> are not advertised externally in the same way, I don't know if you can see >> the course handbook at >> http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/macshome/IS_UG_Handbook.pdf but is shows which >> courses a student will take in each year / semester. For example >> year 1 / semester 1 >> * F27SA software development 1 >> * F27IS Interactive systems >> * F27PX Praxis >> * F27TS Technology in Society >> (if you cannot see the course handbook, there is similar information >> available for the Manchester University Computer Science BSc available from >> >> http://www.cs.manchester.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/courses/computer-science/?code=00560&pg=options >> they are similar to the courses that you have been using as examples.) >> >> Is that the sort of information that helps? >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Vicki Tardif Holland [vtardif@google.com] >> *Sent:* 16 December 2014 14:28 >> *To:* Barker, Phil A >> *Cc:* Wes Turner; GUANGYUAN PIAO; Thad Guidry; Aaron Bradley; Public >> Vocabs >> *Subject:* Re: [Proposal] schema:OnlineCourse >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Barker, Phil A <Phil.Barker@hw.ac.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> 1. Courses can comprise Courses. This is especially important at >>> Universities that recruit into and award certificates for programmes >>> (Courses) that are built from modules (Courses). >>> >> >> Can you give an example of this? It may be better to model these as >> different types rather than trying to mash them together. The programmes >> type could then include the modules. >> >> >> >>> >>> 2. I don't think there is much to be gained from having a separate class >>> on OnlineCourse rather than a property of a Course to flag whether it is >>> online or not. I think the properties you have for OnlineCourse also apply >>> to regular courses. Most regular courses have an online component. >>> >>> >> Point taken. I think it is important to designate MOOCs from other >> courses. I tend to prefer using subclasses instead of booleans as it is >> easier to expand a subclass to include properties I missed the first time >> around. >> >> >> >>> 3. I think it would be better to model an instance of a Course as a >>> collection of EducationalEvents and CreativeWorks. >>> >>> >> The integration with Event is one of the places that needs refining. >> >> >> >>> 4. Language is difficult. The different usage between UK and US English >>> is one thing, but more importantly commonly used terms often relate to >>> specific education systems or pedagogies. So phrases like "instructors >>> deliver lessons to students" implies a particular pedagogy. Also this means >>> that common terms become ambiguous and open to misinterpretation in >>> international use, e.g. class, course, programme, module. This is important >>> in schema.org where definitions tend to be minimalist. >>> >>> >> Good point. I'll update the description to be more inclusive of other >> educational systems. >> >> >> >>> >>> As a general question, do you have some usecases in mind and target >>> example websites? It's difficult to assess whether these properties are >>> sufficient and realistic without those. >>> >> >> I'll update the document to include some of the sites I was using for >> reference, but they were: >> >> Coursera (The example came from >> https://www.coursera.org/course/datascitoolbox) >> MIT course catalog (http://student.mit.edu/catalog/m6a.html) >> Stanford course catalog (https://explorecourses.stanford.edu) >> edX (https://www.edx.org/) >> Cambridge Center for Adult Education (http://www.ccae.org/) >> >> - Vicki >> >> >> Vicki Tardif Holland | Ontologist | vtardif@google.com >> >> >> >> >> We invite research leaders and ambitious early career researchers to >> join us in leading and driving research in key inter-disciplinary themes. >> Please see www.hw.ac.uk/researchleaders for further information and how >> to apply. >> >> Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under charity >> number SC000278. >> >
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