Re: [Proposal] schema:OnlineCourse

I have updated the GitHub issue description with "Use Cases / Potential
Implementors" and will continue to do so.

Additional Uses Cases / Potential Implementors:


   - http://www.acm.org/education/curricula/ComputerScience2008.pdf
   - https://www.khanacademy.org/


On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Which URI / URL is the canonical identifier for a course, over time?"
>
> With the number of course aggregators and offerings out there, it could be
> helpful to document guidance on this matter.
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> re: CourseSession / Class / CourseSection / Workshop
>>
>> https://itacademy.unomaha.edu/ is an "IT Professional Academy" which
>> offers "Workshops" that could have educationalAlignments .
>>
>> ASCII sort may be a good deciding factor here.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > 1. Courses can comprise Courses. This is especially important at
>>> Universities that recruit into and award certificates for programmes
>>> (Courses) that are built from modules (Courses).
>>>
>>> Is this satisfied by http://schema.org/isPartOf , or is there a need
>>> for a more specific property?
>>>
>>> > 2. I don't think there is much to be gained from having a separate
>>> class on OnlineCourse rather than a property of a Course to flag whether it
>>> is online or not. I  think the properties you have for OnlineCourse also
>>> apply to regular courses. Most regular courses have an online component.
>>>
>>> So long as there is something to indicate that a Course is a "MOOC".
>>>
>>> > 3. I think it would be better to model an instance of a Course as a
>>> collection of EducationalEvents and CreativeWorks.
>>>
>>> This could indeed be useful for e.g. modeling a Syllabus.
>>>
>>> Use Case: I've been thinking about how to express a curriculum set
>>> with/as RDFa. I have a number of PDFs; and I have a number of wikipedia
>>> topic/concept links which are advantageous in that they are translated
>>> conceptual identifiers, in dbpedia. These could be 'educationalAlignment'
>>> 'AlignmentObject.targetURL' s, if they were an 'established educational
>>> framework.' [1][2] ... How do I legitimize this with parenthetical
>>> notations and necessary RDFa?
>>>
>>> In consultation with the authors of SKOS about adding prefPluralLabel
>>> (not likely, in the near future), I learned about
>>> http://rdf-vocabulary.ddialliance.org/xkos.html , which demonstrates
>>> usage of rdf:List ; which would be useful for expressing an ordered set of
>>> syllabi things that have URIs and metadata.
>>>
>>> > 4. [normative epistemiology:
>>> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/learning-formal/ ]
>>>
>>> "Education must provide the opportunities for self-fulfillment; it can
>>> at best provide a rich and challenging environment for the individual to
>>> explore, in [his] own way." -- Chomsky
>>>
>>>
>>> > [...] do you have some usecases in mind and target example websites?
>>> It's difficult to assess whether these properties are sufficient and
>>> realistic without those.
>>>
>>> If you have the time to dig through, this thread [3] lists a number of
>>> hypothetical and actual use cases:
>>>
>>>
>>>    - http://www.edumine.com/
>>>    - http://www.ieee.org/portal/innovate/products/educational/
>>>    - https://www.futurelearn.com/
>>>    - https://www.udacity.com/
>>>    - https://www.edx.org/
>>>    - https://www.coursera.org/
>>>    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_learning_management_systems
>>>    - [University] Course Catalogs contain prerequisites and
>>>    matriculation requirements
>>>    - US Primary education standards: http://www.corestandards.org/
>>>    "Common Core"
>>>       - This could potentially be extremely useful for discovering
>>>       useful curriculum resources
>>>    - https://developers.google.com/edu/curriculumsearch/
>>>    (educationalAlignment -> "Course")
>>>
>>>
>>>    - Src: https://github.com/edx/
>>>    - Src:
>>>    https://github.com/classcentral/class-central/tree/master/src/ClassCentral/SiteBundle/Entity
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://westurner.github.io/redditlog/#comment/ci3c1o3
>>> [2] https://wrdrd.github.io/docs/consulting/knowledge-engineering.html
>>> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Feb/0131.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:19 AM, Barker, Phil A <Phil.Barker@hw.ac.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vicki, thanks for the heads up, I would have missed this otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> I have added some comments to the Google Doc, the most significant are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Courses can comprise Courses. This is especially important at
>>>> Universities that recruit into and award certificates for programmes
>>>> (Courses) that are built from modules (Courses).
>>>>
>>>> 2. I don't think there is much to be gained from having a separate
>>>> class on OnlineCourse rather than a property of a Course to flag whether it
>>>> is online or not. I  think the properties you have for OnlineCourse also
>>>> apply to regular courses. Most regular courses have an online component.
>>>>
>>>> 3. I think it would be better to model an instance of a Course as a
>>>> collection of EducationalEvents and CreativeWorks.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Language is difficult. The different usage between UK and US English
>>>> is one thing, but more importantly commonly used terms often relate to
>>>> specific education systems or pedagogies. So phrases like "instructors
>>>> deliver lessons to students" implies a particular pedagogy. Also this means
>>>> that common terms become ambiguous and open to misinterpretation in
>>>> international use, e.g. class, course, programme, module. This is important
>>>> in schema.org where definitions tend to be minimalist.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> As a general question, do you have some usecases in mind and target
>>>> example websites? It's difficult to assess whether these properties are
>>>> sufficient and realistic without those.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Vicki Tardif Holland [vtardif@google.com]
>>>> *Sent:* 15 December 2014 18:40
>>>> *To:* Wes Turner
>>>> *Cc:* GUANGYUAN PIAO; Thad Guidry; Aaron Bradley; Public Vocabs
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Proposal] schema:OnlineCourse
>>>>
>>>>   (I commented on GitHub, but I am not sure if everyone is over there,
>>>> so I am duplicating the message here.)
>>>>
>>>>  I have read through all of the comments and background links and
>>>> attempted to pull the various ideas into a cohesive whole. My thoughts are
>>>> still rather preliminary, but can be found at
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/12YWjLzZC8FiTiOwSAETRIEozeqZdn6O8a4fgqK4t5Ss/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>>  It would be nice to be able to support in-person classes (academic or
>>>> not) and MOOCs.
>>>>
>>>>  Please comment here or on GitHub.
>>>>
>>>>  - Vicki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Vicki Tardif Holland | Ontologist | vtardif@google.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've created a GitHub issue ticket for this Proposal:
>>>>>
>>>>>  https://github.com/rvguha/schemaorg/issues/195
>>>>>
>>>>>  cc'ing a comment here, because DRY:
>>>>>
>>>>>   What is missing or could be added?
>>>>>> From
>>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Feb/0127.html :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Properties:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - derivedFrom/previousIncantation property could also be helpful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - prerequisitve/buildsUpon/suggestedPrerequisite properties
>>>>>>>    would be great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Types for these properties would need to be <Course>.
>>>>>
>>>>>  ... This would then form a graph of Courses and/or OnlineCourses.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  It may be most helpful to transition discussion to a task-focused
>>>>> GitHub issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In creating said ticket [openbadges/openbadges-specifiation/9], I'm
>>>>>> having trouble linking to the entirety of a mailing list thread (who know).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Is there / should there be an issue for OnlineCourse here:
>>>>>> https://github.com/rvguha/schemaorg/issues ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've opened a ticket with the OpenBadges specification project:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/openbadges/openbadges-specification/issues/9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  > How could/should we reference badges offered by a
>>>>>>> schema.org/OnlineCourse ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > We could point to just URIs, but then we'd need to lookup badge
>>>>>>> titles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Would it be feasible to create schema.org/Badge ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:11 PM, GUANGYUAN PIAO <parklize@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  1. Is it worth adding a "prerequisiteCourse" property to list
>>>>>>>>> the prerequisites for the given course?
>>>>>>>>>      - IMO, "prerequisiteCourse" or "requirements" for the Course
>>>>>>>>> could provide rich snippets for users to know if it
>>>>>>>>> is appropriate for him/her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Where can I add topical links to wikipedia (dbpedia [1])? e.g.
>>>>>>>> This course is about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data and
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] http://lod-cloud.net/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   2. Can we change "isCertificateAvailable" from a boolean to
>>>>>>>>> something with a little more data? Maybe the type of certificate granted or
>>>>>>>>> the institution granting the certificate?
>>>>>>>>>      - +1, and then it will need Certificate type and additional
>>>>>>>>> properties to think about.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  http://openbadges.org/ are gaining momentum. [2]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Would "credential" be a more generic predicate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Open_Badges
>>>>>>>> [3] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Badges
>>>>>>>> [4] https://github.com/mozilla/openbadges#mozilla-open-badges
>>>>>>>> [5]
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/openbadges/openbadges-specification/blob/master/Assertion/latest.md
>>>>>>>> (JSON Web Signatures)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>> Wes Turner
>>>>>>>> https://westurner.github.io/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>> Wes Turner
>>>>>>> https://westurner.github.io/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>> Wes Turner
>>>>>> https://westurner.github.io/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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