- From: Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:54:51 +0100
- To: Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@oclc.org>
- Cc: "Dawson, Laura" <Laura.Dawson@bowker.com>, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>, Web Schemas TF <public-vocabs@w3.org>, Gregg Kellogg <gregg@greggkellogg.net>
Richard:
Thanks - as always, I think the guiding line should be
- the amount of data that we can publish based on this conceptual distinction
and
- how valuable / useful / significant the distinction is (the "discriminatory value").
I buy in that there are many use cases in the context of creative works that may benefit from this additional type, in particular given that schema.org is a Web vocabulary and not a classic ontology (see also my arguments in [1]).
I just wanted to stress that from a conceptual modeling perspective, fictional thing is a problematic type.
Martin
[1] http://vimeo.com/51152934
On Feb 19, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Richard Wallis wrote:
> Martin,
>
> There are definitely some edge cases which will test such a choice.
>
> As with decisions, such as what a CreativeWork is 'about', these are choices
> in the scope of the data publisher - anybody can say anything about
> anything.
>
> However there are a significant body of Things, generally accepted as
> fictional - featuring in fictional creative works, that many will want to
> describe as such. The proposal provides a simple approach to doing so, with
> the ability to link to the [CreativeWork] source reference(s) to them.
>
> ~Richard.
>
>
> On 19/02/2013 11:40, "Martin Hepp" <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote:
>
>> Without having followed the entire thread, I am kind of skeptical as to
>> whether there is a sufficiently general and shared definition of what a
>> "FictionalThing" is.
>>
>> It very often depends on context (in particular temporal context), subjective
>> judgment, etc. And we as humans may be unable to tell from our perception
>> whether something is fictional or real. Think of
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy
>>
>> Squeezing these subtleties into a binary type decision may lead to a dead end.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dawson, Laura wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Thad - one step closer to my dream of marking up Sherlock Holmes
>>> stories with RDF. :)
>>>
>>> From: Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>
>>> To: Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@oclc.org>
>>> Cc: Web Schemas TF <public-vocabs@w3.org>, Gregg Kellogg
>>> <gregg@greggkellogg.net>
>>> Subject: Re: FictionalThing proposal added to Web Schemas wiki
>>>
>>> Thanks Richard!
>>>
>>> I've added some comments to the discussion page, and encourage others to
>>> begin doing so as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@oclc.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Following on from discussions here a couple of months back, I have finally
>>>> added a proposal for the FictionalThing type to the wiki
>>>> <http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/FictionalThing> and listed it in the
>>>> Brainstorming, Use Cases and Advance Notice section of the proposals page.
>>>>
>>>> ~Richard.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Richard Wallis
>>>> Technology Evangelist
>>>> OCLC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Thad
>>> http://www.freebase.com/view/en/thad_guidry
>>
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