- From: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
- Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:41:55 +0200
- To: public-vocabs@w3.org
- Cc: Ramanathan Guha <guha@google.com>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, Roessler Thomas <tlr@w3.org>, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
This is a note to introduce the public-vocabs@w3.org mailing list as the home for a new Task Force within the Semantic Web Interest Group (SWIG). >From the charter page at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/webschema.html - "The Web Schemas Task Force is devoted to practical issues around data schemas for large-scale use in the public Web." (see below for full text of the charter) R.V.Guha (of Google and the Schema.org initiative) will chair the group. I will help. We will collaborate primarily by email and other electronic fora, including Wiki, issue trackers, test case repositories and suchlike. The charter goes into more detail about the purpose and approach of the group; I'll summarize here informally. This is one outcome of discussions that began around the launch of the Schema.org initiative earlier this year. When <http://schema.org/> was launched as a partnership between Yahoo, Bing and Google, it created several strands of discussion[1]. One, around choice of specific syntax for Web data (Microdata, RDFa, Microformats etc.) is being addressed by another Task Force on HTML Data, chaired by Jeni Tennison. See [2] for more details on the group and its mailing list, public-html-data-tf@w3.org The other group, on "Web Schemas", addresses the other side of the conversation: the actual descriptive vocabulary used in this data. There is a blog post from Ivan Herman at http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/09/proposing_two_new_sw_interest.html introducing both groups and their relationship to each other. This is a new kind of public group for W3C; historically we have spent more time talking about Semantic Web technology than on its use, or on the specifics of vocabulary design. As the technology stack has matured, it is time to provide a venue for discussion of schema and vocabulary practicalities. It is important to set expectations here: what we have created is a discussion forum within which interested parties working with various Web data vocabularies can communicate. The initial driver for this was Schema.org, and I expect it to take a central place in many of the discussions here. However, other topics and vocabularies are in scope, since the central problem that brings us together is finding a practical balance between decentralized and centralized approaches. The initial plan is to ground these discussions very practically in the search-engine-oriented work of the Schema.org collaboration. The existing discussions from the Schema.org Google Group mailing list[3] will be migrated to this group, although product-specific discussions should be directed to product-specific fora elsewhere. This forum will become the primary public feedback channel for the Schema.org project. That does not mean that W3C is in any sense 'standardizing' the schema, but it does reflect an effort to build bridges between different approaches to 'Web Schemas', so that the cost and confusion of wide-scale adoption can be reduced. There are many other Web Schemas out there; some expressed in RDF, some using other approaches. I hope this group provides a shared forum for collaboration, integration and feedback. To this end, I've requested a W3C Issue Tracker instance for the group, and will set up "Xyz Feedback" areas within it for any vocabulary initiative that would like one. We will go first with Schema.org and FOAF; if others are interested, do get in touch. I have started collecting information in our Wiki, at http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas and will be updating that during the next week as we get up and running... cheers, Dan [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/SemTech2011BOF [2] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Html-data-tf [3] http://groups.google.com/group/schemaorg-discussion ############# text copy of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/webschema.html below for info: This is a charter for a taskforce of the W3C Semantic Web Interest Group. The Web Schemas Task Force is devoted to practical issues around data schemas for large-scale use in the public Web. The group will use W3C's Wiki and the public-vocabs list. For IRC discussions, #schema is available on irc.freenode.net, alongside the existing #swig (logs) and >#microformats (logs) channels. There is also the microformats wiki nearby. TF chair: R.V.Guha (Google). Web Schemas TF The Web is a decentralized, pluralistic system, and the world is too complex for any single, non-extensible or monolithic schema to fully describe. Web publishers, with limited resources and attention, have recently started publishing simple factual data embedded in mainstream Web content - e.g. using Microformats conventions, RDFa, HTML5 and Microdata. For such purposes, simplicity, usability and ease of adoption are critically important. Recent initiatives such as Facebook's Open Graph Protocol and Google/Bing/Yahoo!'s Schema.org announcement have emphasised simple, tightly constrained vocabularies that emphasise ease of adoption over expressiveness. Meanwhile, many Web-based APIs expose similar data using schemas expressed in JSON or XML (e.g. based on Atom/RSS), with initiatives such as Portable Contacts and Activity Streams often maintaining both XML and JSON encodings. The taskforce's focus is on collaboration around vocabularies (e.g. Dublin Core and others), mappings (e.g. see schema.rdfs.org, DBpedia, OGP), and around syntax-neutral vocabulary design and tooling, rather than questions of markup. In practice, it is not always easy to make such sharp distinctions, and we anticipate the group may be a useful source of use cases and test cases for nearby activities, such as the W3C's investigations around RDFa and Microdata, or the Microformats-2 discussions. This taskforce was created from an appreciation of both decentralized, pluralistic vocabulary development and the benefits of a more tightly coordinated effort. The forum is offered as a place where any project or group can offer some accountability and dialog around their work and where both industry consortium and loosely-coordinated initiatives of individuals can take the opportunity to articulate how their efforts relate to each other. Participants are encouraged to use the group to take practical steps towards interoperability amongst diverse schemas, e.g. through development of mappings, extensions and supporting tools. Those participants who maintain vocabularies in any format designed for wide-scale public Web use are welcome to also to participate in the group as a 'feedback channel', including practicalities around syntax, encoding and extensibility (which will be relayed to other W3C groups as appropriate). In-scope topics include: use of structured data in mainstream and specialist search engines (both HTML-embedded and in custom feeds) use of structured data in social networking, microblogging and link-sharing networks convergence of schemas around common use-cases documentation of mappings and equivalences between schemas syntax issues and practicalities, particularly those for use within HTML announcements of new versions, proposals, datasets and changes 'how do I express this'?' use case discussion discussion on common idioms that should be understood by mainstream consumers, to avoid markup duplication tools and techniques (software libraries, test cases, validators etc.) to ease difficulty of adoption or costs of diversity Out of scope topics include: Advocacy of data models or syntaxes without attention to real-world use cases The use of inference debate over foundational ontologies This is a public group, and does not itself produce specifications. Instead, it provides a forum in which creators and maintainers of data schemas (aka vocabularies, ontologies) can engage with each other and with those who publish and consume such data. $Id: webschema.html,v 1.21 2011/09/17 17:05:58 danbri Exp $ Dan Brickley, W3C SWIG chair.
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