- From: Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:41:13 -0400
- To: public-vision-core <public-vision-core@w3.org>
Core Mission Task Force
20 Jul 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2010/07/20-vision-irc
Attendees
Present
Plh, Thomas, Ashok_Malhotra, Doug_Schepers, Mike, Sam
Regrets
Dave, JFA
Chair
plh
Scribe
shepazu
<plh>
[3]http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0714-core-mission/Overview.html
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0714-core-mission/Overview.html
<plh>
[4]http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0714-core-mission/activities.html
[4] http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0714-core-mission/activities.html
plh: only core spec everyone agrees is core to web and w3c is
HTML... after that, opinions differ
... I notice that Ashok didn't mark CSS as core, but when most
people refer to HTML5, they are actually talking about CSS
... there are several other items which were mostly marked as core,
like XML and SemWeb
<plh> [5]http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0714-core-mission/core.html
[5] http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/0714-core-mission/core.html
plh: the AB struggled with this slide, because it limits ourselves
too much to browsers
... which is not most of our members
... "intended for the public web" was the most controversial
... "Relevant to data integration and search on a Web scale" tries
to capture XML and SemWeb
... Mike had the view that the tech should concentrate on what's
implementable in browsers
MikeS: that's to reflect the view of many of our members
<rubys> is <video> an example of MikeS's point?
tlr: if you make a distinction between native implementation and
plugins, you limit yourself to what a set of vendors choose to ship
MikeS: it comes down to what we consider to be part of the Web
Patform
plh: that considers the platform to be client-side only
tlr: another interesting part of the web platform is what search
engines do with the content, like RDFa
... or microdata
plh: ... or openid
plh: some people were surprised that MMI didn't score better
MikeS: MMI doesn't seem to have worked its way into browsers
plh: it comes down to what W3C is trying to accomplish
... is it a web app environment? is it a data model?
... eGovernment and Semantic Sensors fall outside this task force,
more focused on users
... MashSSL wasn't scored highly, maybe because we didn't know what
it is
... how could we stop Web Services? how do we sunset technologies?
... Model-based User Interfaces was seen as too far out from the
present
tlr: is it the purview of another task force?
Ashok_Malhotra: we should be looking toward the future in this Task
Force
plh: yes, we should look 10 years out, then see what we should be
doing for the next 2-3 years
... MMI seems to lack integration with HTML
<Zakim> tlr, you wanted to ask whether we have anybody here who's
involved in that work
shepazu: it's important to distinguish between the concept of
multimodal interaction and the MMI activity
plh: there was discussion in the AB about the messaging, and how
relevant this would make the mission to many of our members
... we may have other reasons to work on certain activities
tlr: the abstract criteria to do other work would be to 1) help push
technology into the market and 2) getting feedback into those
technologies
plh: we need to make it clear that the work of this task force is
not meant to be used for public messaging
... and we didn't look at what we aren't doing now, but should be
... we also need to revisit this periodically
... regarding HTML, I sometimes hear concerns about the quality of
the spec... should we have more editors? what about testing?
... education may need some focus
... and outreach, should we change how we are putting our
technologies out there
... this may change for different technologies... XML doesn't need
outreach, but may need more testing
... What should happen to activities that are done or do not fit in
Core?
Ashok_Malhotra: can we discuss the XML activity?
plh: yes
Ashok_Malhotra: we have XML schema, XForms, and so forth... would we
consider closing them down?
plh: there are still members active in them
Ashok_Malhotra: how can we maintain them with low overhead?
... should there be a different "state" for groups in maintenance
mode? a single person monitoring the activity for changes and errata
plh: there is the matter of patent policy and group membership
... and who should maintain this, staff or members?
tlr: we should report back about how we consistently deal with
sunsetting and maintenance that works in our existing framework
plh: even finding chairs for maintaining activities is hard, people
leave companies or move on
... we could keep a list open, then reform a group if there is a
need to update it
shepazu: sunsetting technologies is interesting, but I don't think
it's to core mission of this task force
plh: but it is part of it
... regarding webapps, we are seeing them everywhere, not only on
the web (cameras, phones, etc.).... is that part of our core mission
<tlr> likely regrets for next week; might be able to lurk in IRC
plh: for next week, I'd like everyone to think about specific social
web deliverables, and identity management... what areas should we
get involved in?
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