Re: [Minutes] VC WG 2022-11-23

@Kristina Yasuda <Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com> cool cool, what does /me
mean? Is it just a comment not be recorded?

Since I live in transcript world because of difficult hours, can we atleast
add the chat transcript link to the email going out each week :D
So I can try to deduce these things?
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 4:48 AM Kristina Yasuda <
Kristina.Yasuda@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Hi Snorre,
> People sometimes put comments in IRC using ‘/me’ so that they won’t be
> recorded in the minutes, but others sometimes react to those statements
> without using ‘/me’ and since those reactions get recorded in the minutes
> without the original comment, they might feel out of context.
> Cheers,
> Kristina
>
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> *From:* Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin <snorre@diwala.io>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2022 2:49:32 AM
> *To:* Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
> *Cc:* W3C VC Working Group <public-vc-wg@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Minutes] VC WG 2022-11-23
>
> Thanks for the context and it helps a lot.
>
> I have some comments on your last summary of what has been tried out.
>
> My assumption is that everything is exportable via machine interfaces.
> Meaning data can be stored as it is today with some pipeline parts.
> Automatic systems have become better over the years, and
> definitively after the remote work boom with corona wiping over the world.
>
> Are there any trace of the work that has happened so one does not start at
> scratch if it is of interest to revisit this?
> ᐧ
> ᐧ
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 11:40 AM Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>
> Snorre,
>
> I was not at the call yesterday, so I do not want to comment on the
> specific issues; I let the participants help you out.
>
> For the general question, however: scribing is done by a human. Namely,
> people on the call take turns to be "scribes": they use IRC to write down
> what they hear people are saying, following some minor rules on how to do
> that (precede what they write with the IRC nickname of the person talking,
> that sort of things). The chair of the meeting manages the queue, so that
> everyone can take his/her turn.
>
> This, sort of, linear flow is intertwined with all participants being able
> to type on IRC, adding their own comments, +1 or -1, etc. These are
> comments out of the natural flow of the minutes (and not typed by the
> scribe).
>
> At the end of the meeting the IRC log is dumped (via a bot running at W3C)
> onto our server and is available by everyone. Furthermore a script takes
> this raw log and turns it into something more readable. There are several
> such scripts that evolved over the years; the historical one generates an
> HTML file; since we have moved to github to manage the WG's web site, I use
> a different script that I have developed and maintained over the years,
> which converts these logs to markdown, which is then displayed by the CMS
> system (jekyll) that generates what you see. Actually, the raw IRC logs are
> usually "cleaned up" before feeding it to the script, taking care of
> spelling mistakes, possibly adding some manual formatting to the lot, etc.
>
> Bottom line: it is a human. And it is a very difficult job to do those irc
> minutes well, some are better at it than others, but it is never perfect.
>
> W3C has experimented with some automatic minuting, but the results were
> never acceptable. Without knowing the technical context, those tools have
> produced crazy, sometimes hilarious results… Other groups have chosen
> shared tools like google docs or markdown pads, but the issue is, usually,
> that it is unclear where to store and archive those minutes for long term
> (these minutes are supposed to be readable in many years to come, when we
> may be out of W3C already…).
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Ivan
>
> On 24 Nov 2022, at 11:18, Snorre Lothar von Gohren Edwin <snorre@diwala.io>
> wrote:
>
> I want to dig into how the scribing works.
> Since these meetings are usually at a very difficult time for me I stick
> with reading the transcripts to be up to date.
> I have a responsibility to my role as invited expert.
>
> But there are situations in the transcript where there is information lost.
> For this particular example
>
> There are two places I see people give +1 to Orie without Ories context
> being documented. There is a comment that gives a small summary with
> their +1, but I dont know if that is enough.
> They also usually end very abruptly, feeling like there is something
> missed.
>
> Is this scribing done by a human only or assisted by a robot?
> Are there any current issues of the scribing process we want to improve or
> implement that are on hold because of time?
> ᐧ
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 6:31 AM Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>
> Minutes are here:
>
> https://www.w3.org/2017/vc/WG/Meetings/Minutes/2022-11-23-vcwg
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> Cheers
>
> ivan
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