- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 02:23:40 +0900
- To: public-vc-wg@w3.org
available at:
https://www.w3.org/2019/02/12-vcwg-minutes.html
also as text below.
Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, Yancy!
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Verifiable Claims Working Group Telecon
12 Feb 2019
[2]Agenda
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2019Feb/0010.html
Attendees
Present
Andrei_Sambra, Tzviya_Siegman, Justin_Richer,
Chaals_McCathie_Nevile, Dmitri_Zagidulin, Ken_Ebert,
David_Chadwick, Ganesh_Annan, Adrian_Gropper,
Tim_Tibbals, Matt_Stone, Gregory_Natran, Dave_Longley,
Oliver_Terbu, Joe_Andrieu, Mitzi_Laszlo, Kaz_Ashimura,
Allen_Brown, Ted_Thibodeau, David_Ezell, Benjamin_Young,
Brent_Zundel, Manu_Sporny, Mike_Lodder, Ned_Smith,
Yancy_Ribbens, Dan_Burnett
Regrets
Chair
Matt_Stone
Scribe
Yancy
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda review, Introductions, Re-introductions
2. [5]Unassigned issues
3. [6]Introductions - revisited
4. [7]Wide review
5. [8]F2F
6. [9]PR review
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
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<brent> present?
Agenda review, Introductions, Re-introductions
<inserted> scribenick: manu
dmitriz: Introducing Mitzi Laszlo - Solid Community Manager --
examples of W3C Groups that have good process/moderation... I
recommended this group.
mitzi: I'm really interested to hear how you run the meeting,
looking to listen and learn. :)
<stonematt> scribe: Yancy
Unassigned issues
<inserted> scribenick: Yancy
stone: now unassigned issues
... there are several unassigned from last week
<stonematt>
[12]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?utf8=✓&q=is%3Ai
ssue+is%3Aopen+no%3Aassignee
[12] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?utf8=✓&q=is:issue+is:open+no:assignee
<stonematt> [13]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/419
[13] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/419
David: suggesting should be put back into presentation
joe: the one I was going to pickup was 414
brent: to clarify most people thought holderID was a terrible
idea
stone: needs an assignee and decide if it's a cr blocker
david: volunteers
stone: 414 is expected to be assigned to brent
... now assigned
brent: doesn't know if it's a CR blocker
davidc: thinks we should close them
... thinks we can close 408
<JoeAndrieu> david chadwick: if you are ok with the close,
please comment on the issue.
davidc: thinks we can close 405
<JoeAndrieu> you opened some of those, so if you think they are
addressed, that's usually a good indicator
stone: lets take that one offline
davidc: 408 is solve by manu
stone: it's not linked to pr either
... that one isn't a cr blocker
manu: in agreement
stone: reminder in IRC about intros. anyone new?
Introductions - revisited
<Justin_R> @manu vitruviusly
charles: works for consensus and is a long time w3c member and
plans to be in barcelona maybe only the 2nd day
justin: introduces himself and says hello
andre: been with w3c for a few years. Involved mostly with
identity work and linked data and looking forward to barcelona
stone: thanks and welcome
ned_smith: new to to the group from intel and doing work in
identity
burn: calling in from parking lot (one of those days). welcome!
Stone: also says welcome
Wide review
stone: coming to the end of the deadline
... one step calls for a wide review
... show evidence of community review
... there's also a sentence about going to announce using an
email
... our discussion point is part of a wide review. What's the
real obligation?
<Zakim> chaals, you wanted to talk about wide review
charles: has been through this many times. 1) community and
developer review from others in the community
... 2) needs sign-off on accessibility issues which involves
asking 5 groups if there are any issues
... prove this is more than just email. it can take a little
bit of time because there may not be an expert in this area.
stone: has gone to a horizontal review from ping and groups
like those. we have github issues with them and have had
replies.
... not hearing a big lift
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to note we're ready for horiz
review...
manu: thinks we are ready for the most part
... bits and pieces in the docs that need more polish
... nothing is going to change the spec in my opinion
... getting close to our charter end, but sees no reason why we
shouldn't start the wide review
<kaz> [14]fyi, VCWG charter
[14] https://www.w3.org/2017/vc/WG/charter.html
burn: already asked for the review from the mentioned groups by
charles
<chaals> [+1 to Manu - and with any luck there is nothing
surprising to the horizontal groups that causes them issues,
which make sit easy to move on]
burn: let the groups know we have these new features for cr
<manu> yes, no new features! No massive changes! :)
burn: with respect to the timing wants to make sure the group
is aware that administrative extension does not mean the
pressure is off
kaz: asked internal accessibility for review based on draft.
... we should finish the CR publication so we should have more
discussion this week
burn: understands that if the doc is one that's agreed to
publish the most recent document is in github
<manu> +1 to ask reviewers to review latest ED.
<stonematt> +1 to ED as review target
burn: wants to remind people there is still one to two weeks
time to get stuff published
<stonematt> get to CR tasks:
[15]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRGJ2H4fVJD
St9G0KWhBQQiIvuB2lSRiVe5ABJcebDo_Pe-alOVtJXccjzf_dcU1tiyW2QcM0x
1Y9jh/pubhtml?gid=1319152806&single=true
[15] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRGJ2H4fVJDSt9G0KWhBQQiIvuB2lSRiVe5ABJcebDo_Pe-alOVtJXccjzf_dcU1tiyW2QcM0x1Y9jh/pubhtml?gid=1319152806&single=true
burn: can't just say on march 30th we're ready to publish. want
to remind people the process to get to CR before the end of
march means we need to get to all blockers way before that
kaz: using the github version is good and nice
... but maybe we should create a concrete tag/branch or a
static version for the review?
<Zakim> chaals, you wanted to suggest adding change history
(for humans) to the github draft
charles: no static copy is needed. it's ok to just say hey look
at the current state. useful to have a change log/
... they just need a document that's up to date for groups
reviewing
kaz: if we don't make big changes, that's fine
burn: remember we have review blockers and cr blockers. review
blockers are major but CR blockers are not major and at that
level.
stone: on track to call for wide review
... set us up to review external comment
F2F
stone: next topic is face to face, hopefully we'll having
something to work on
<stonematt>
[16]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G1ygbZMI5nJB94ROuX-
Vtic4FgbeYl-S58E_DoXa7-w/edit#gid=913829325
[16] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G1ygbZMI5nJB94ROuX-Vtic4FgbeYl-S58E_DoXa7-w/edit#gid=913829325
stone: list of participants is growing and it's a large group
... there are a few we don't recognize. if there are those that
people know the unidentified individuals please contact the
chair
manu: food costs going up
... going around and request that larger organizations chip in
... heads up we may be contacting you
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to note donations for food.
davidc: doesn't know where the location is
<stonematt>
[17]https://github.com/w3c/verifiable-claims/tree/master/f2f/20
19-03-Barcelona
[17] https://github.com/w3c/verifiable-claims/tree/master/f2f/2019-03-Barcelona
burn: it's on the info page
stone: topic ideas. we haven't started the discussion of
planning our days.
... ideally we would be done with CR and CR might not be out
yet.
... the question is, what do we talk about?
davidc: what about future work items for the group
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to suggest topics -- CR changes, test
suite, registries and to suggest re-chartering
<gannan> +1 to discussing future work items as DavidC mentioned
manu: couple of topics. things are raised like we need to put
this in, and now we need to go through another CR.
... test suite and how it's being done. The good news is that
oliver and brent and ken and dave longley got together last
week.
... there is the topic of registries, questions around are
raised around terms of use and refresh.
... where does we have a spec where does the work happen to
extend it and do it in a way that doesn't break anything or
create a funky power dynamic
... some ask for people to station keep the spec in the
community group and I think we should have a discussion around
that
... do we want to sit back for two years and then recharter
... DID working group has gone out and how do we want to fit
into that
joe: we should spend some time talking about the use case
document
... even though we are running out of time
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to also note Vocabulary docs, and Best
Practices
burn: the implementation guide is lacking and that's the thing
we can spend quality time on and have a more complete
understanding of what should go in doc
manu: thinks we are calling it a best practices document
... been using gregs tools to auto generate and we need to
start assigning editors
<chaals> [+1 to implementation experience, and guidance, as
important topics]
manu: we should also set aside some time for implementors and
conforming with the testsuite
stone: great list and nice start. thanks you.
... this document is open
... if you think of something in the next few days, add it to
the list
... if you have a strong opinion about what to add please add,
also if there are things that are optional please indicate
<Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to discuss a note about the
days' schedules
joe: in our work with local host, dinner place doesn't happen
until 9, so we
... we'll go from 10-7
... thinks all of us will need to adjust to that schedule
stone: that's our long afternoon break and will call it siesta
<chaals> [+1 to matching local time]
PR review
stone: next item on agenda is pr blockers or pr review
<stonematt> [18]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pulls
[18] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pulls
<manu> [19]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/384
[19] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/384
manu: perf tradeoff 384. long list/changes and trying to
respond to his concerns. it will take a while but in process
<manu> [20]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/412
[20] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/412
manu: 412 needs dlongley to take a look and davidc to look at
it to make sure concerns are addressed
... creates new jsonld context for use
... broke out into seperate jsonld context not in vc context or
vocabulary. I want everyone to be aware of design pattern.
... details like don't archive, this cred is only used for
subject, goes into it's own vocab in json-ld context but not
required for conforming
davidc: did review before meeting. subject that was a property
now becomes way more complex but not only optional but
suggestion
<stonematt> +1 TallTed
ted: going way past vocab
<brent> +1 TallTed
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to note "not downgraded"
tallted: this is going beyond a data model. lets focus on
making a data model
manu: +1
... no new normative text, it's just expressing it is the only
thing suggested by pr
... to davidc point, it's on option in the testsuite
... if we insist it's subject only it will get ripped out
<stonematt> implementors list:
[21]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SzfAUA0J72-1BORHJEm
Y4cdZrQ6vmKy4oq_24r_NwB4/edit#gid=0
[21] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SzfAUA0J72-1BORHJEmY4cdZrQ6vmKy4oq_24r_NwB4/edit#gid=0
stone: reduce the risk of feature at risk
... time bound, anything else left
manu: needs judgment call on this
<manu> [22]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/415
[22] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/415
<manu> [23]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/420
[23] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/420
manu: lifecycle editions (420) is progressing.
... will do that and respond
<kaz> [adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
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