Minutes for VCWG telecon 12 February 2019

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  https://www.w3.org/2019/02/12-vcwg-minutes.html

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Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, Yancy!

Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

                Verifiable Claims Working Group Telecon

12 Feb 2019

   [2]Agenda

      [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2019Feb/0010.html

Attendees

   Present
          Andrei_Sambra, Tzviya_Siegman, Justin_Richer,
          Chaals_McCathie_Nevile, Dmitri_Zagidulin, Ken_Ebert,
          David_Chadwick, Ganesh_Annan, Adrian_Gropper,
          Tim_Tibbals, Matt_Stone, Gregory_Natran, Dave_Longley,
          Oliver_Terbu, Joe_Andrieu, Mitzi_Laszlo, Kaz_Ashimura,
          Allen_Brown, Ted_Thibodeau, David_Ezell, Benjamin_Young,
          Brent_Zundel, Manu_Sporny, Mike_Lodder, Ned_Smith,
          Yancy_Ribbens, Dan_Burnett

   Regrets

   Chair
          Matt_Stone

   Scribe
          Yancy

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Agenda review, Introductions, Re-introductions
         2. [5]Unassigned issues
         3. [6]Introductions - revisited
         4. [7]Wide review
         5. [8]F2F
         6. [9]PR review
     * [10]Summary of Action Items
     * [11]Summary of Resolutions
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   <brent> present?

Agenda review, Introductions, Re-introductions

   <inserted> scribenick: manu

   dmitriz: Introducing Mitzi Laszlo - Solid Community Manager --
   examples of W3C Groups that have good process/moderation... I
   recommended this group.

   mitzi: I'm really interested to hear how you run the meeting,
   looking to listen and learn. :)

   <stonematt> scribe: Yancy

Unassigned issues

   <inserted> scribenick: Yancy

   stone: now unassigned issues
   ... there are several unassigned from last week

   <stonematt>
   [12]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?utf8=✓&q=is%3Ai
   ssue+is%3Aopen+no%3Aassignee

     [12] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?utf8=✓&q=is:issue+is:open+no:assignee

   <stonematt> [13]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/419

     [13] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/419

   David: suggesting should be put back into presentation

   joe: the one I was going to pickup was 414

   brent: to clarify most people thought holderID was a terrible
   idea

   stone: needs an assignee and decide if it's a cr blocker

   david: volunteers

   stone: 414 is expected to be assigned to brent
   ... now assigned

   brent: doesn't know if it's a CR blocker

   davidc: thinks we should close them
   ... thinks we can close 408

   <JoeAndrieu> david chadwick: if you are ok with the close,
   please comment on the issue.

   davidc: thinks we can close 405

   <JoeAndrieu> you opened some of those, so if you think they are
   addressed, that's usually a good indicator

   stone: lets take that one offline

   davidc: 408 is solve by manu

   stone: it's not linked to pr either
   ... that one isn't a cr blocker

   manu: in agreement

   stone: reminder in IRC about intros. anyone new?

Introductions - revisited

   <Justin_R> @manu vitruviusly

   charles: works for consensus and is a long time w3c member and
   plans to be in barcelona maybe only the 2nd day

   justin: introduces himself and says hello

   andre: been with w3c for a few years. Involved mostly with
   identity work and linked data and looking forward to barcelona

   stone: thanks and welcome

   ned_smith: new to to the group from intel and doing work in
   identity

   burn: calling in from parking lot (one of those days). welcome!

   Stone: also says welcome

Wide review

   stone: coming to the end of the deadline
   ... one step calls for a wide review
   ... show evidence of community review
   ... there's also a sentence about going to announce using an
   email
   ... our discussion point is part of a wide review. What's the
   real obligation?

   <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to talk about wide review

   charles: has been through this many times. 1) community and
   developer review from others in the community
   ... 2) needs sign-off on accessibility issues which involves
   asking 5 groups if there are any issues
   ... prove this is more than just email. it can take a little
   bit of time because there may not be an expert in this area.

   stone: has gone to a horizontal review from ping and groups
   like those. we have github issues with them and have had
   replies.
   ... not hearing a big lift

   <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note we're ready for horiz
   review...

   manu: thinks we are ready for the most part
   ... bits and pieces in the docs that need more polish
   ... nothing is going to change the spec in my opinion
   ... getting close to our charter end, but sees no reason why we
   shouldn't start the wide review

   <kaz> [14]fyi, VCWG charter

     [14] https://www.w3.org/2017/vc/WG/charter.html

   burn: already asked for the review from the mentioned groups by
   charles

   <chaals> [+1 to Manu - and with any luck there is nothing
   surprising to the horizontal groups that causes them issues,
   which make sit easy to move on]

   burn: let the groups know we have these new features for cr

   <manu> yes, no new features! No massive changes! :)

   burn: with respect to the timing wants to make sure the group
   is aware that administrative extension does not mean the
   pressure is off

   kaz: asked internal accessibility for review based on draft.
   ... we should finish the CR publication so we should have more
   discussion this week

   burn: understands that if the doc is one that's agreed to
   publish the most recent document is in github

   <manu> +1 to ask reviewers to review latest ED.

   <stonematt> +1 to ED as review target

   burn: wants to remind people there is still one to two weeks
   time to get stuff published

   <stonematt> get to CR tasks:
   [15]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRGJ2H4fVJD
   St9G0KWhBQQiIvuB2lSRiVe5ABJcebDo_Pe-alOVtJXccjzf_dcU1tiyW2QcM0x
   1Y9jh/pubhtml?gid=1319152806&single=true

     [15] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRGJ2H4fVJDSt9G0KWhBQQiIvuB2lSRiVe5ABJcebDo_Pe-alOVtJXccjzf_dcU1tiyW2QcM0x1Y9jh/pubhtml?gid=1319152806&single=true

   burn: can't just say on march 30th we're ready to publish. want
   to remind people the process to get to CR before the end of
   march means we need to get to all blockers way before that

   kaz: using the github version is good and nice
   ... but maybe we should create a concrete tag/branch or a
   static version for the review?

   <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to suggest adding change history
   (for humans) to the github draft

   charles: no static copy is needed. it's ok to just say hey look
   at the current state. useful to have a change log/
   ... they just need a document that's up to date for groups
   reviewing

   kaz: if we don't make big changes, that's fine

   burn: remember we have review blockers and cr blockers. review
   blockers are major but CR blockers are not major and at that
   level.

   stone: on track to call for wide review
   ... set us up to review external comment

F2F

   stone: next topic is face to face, hopefully we'll having
   something to work on

   <stonematt>
   [16]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G1ygbZMI5nJB94ROuX-
   Vtic4FgbeYl-S58E_DoXa7-w/edit#gid=913829325

     [16] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G1ygbZMI5nJB94ROuX-Vtic4FgbeYl-S58E_DoXa7-w/edit#gid=913829325

   stone: list of participants is growing and it's a large group
   ... there are a few we don't recognize. if there are those that
   people know the unidentified individuals please contact the
   chair

   manu: food costs going up
   ... going around and request that larger organizations chip in
   ... heads up we may be contacting you

   <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note donations for food.

   davidc: doesn't know where the location is

   <stonematt>
   [17]https://github.com/w3c/verifiable-claims/tree/master/f2f/20
   19-03-Barcelona

     [17] https://github.com/w3c/verifiable-claims/tree/master/f2f/2019-03-Barcelona

   burn: it's on the info page

   stone: topic ideas. we haven't started the discussion of
   planning our days.
   ... ideally we would be done with CR and CR might not be out
   yet.
   ... the question is, what do we talk about?

   davidc: what about future work items for the group

   <Zakim> manu, you wanted to suggest topics -- CR changes, test
   suite, registries and to suggest re-chartering

   <gannan> +1 to discussing future work items as DavidC mentioned

   manu: couple of topics. things are raised like we need to put
   this in, and now we need to go through another CR.
   ... test suite and how it's being done. The good news is that
   oliver and brent and ken and dave longley got together last
   week.
   ... there is the topic of registries, questions around are
   raised around terms of use and refresh.
   ... where does we have a spec where does the work happen to
   extend it and do it in a way that doesn't break anything or
   create a funky power dynamic
   ... some ask for people to station keep the spec in the
   community group and I think we should have a discussion around
   that
   ... do we want to sit back for two years and then recharter
   ... DID working group has gone out and how do we want to fit
   into that

   joe: we should spend some time talking about the use case
   document
   ... even though we are running out of time

   <Zakim> manu, you wanted to also note Vocabulary docs, and Best
   Practices

   burn: the implementation guide is lacking and that's the thing
   we can spend quality time on and have a more complete
   understanding of what should go in doc

   manu: thinks we are calling it a best practices document
   ... been using gregs tools to auto generate and we need to
   start assigning editors

   <chaals> [+1 to implementation experience, and guidance, as
   important topics]

   manu: we should also set aside some time for implementors and
   conforming with the testsuite

   stone: great list and nice start. thanks you.
   ... this document is open
   ... if you think of something in the next few days, add it to
   the list
   ... if you have a strong opinion about what to add please add,
   also if there are things that are optional please indicate

   <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to discuss a note about the
   days' schedules

   joe: in our work with local host, dinner place doesn't happen
   until 9, so we
   ... we'll go from 10-7
   ... thinks all of us will need to adjust to that schedule

   stone: that's our long afternoon break and will call it siesta

   <chaals> [+1 to matching local time]

PR review

   stone: next item on agenda is pr blockers or pr review

   <stonematt> [18]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pulls

     [18] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pulls

   <manu> [19]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/384

     [19] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/384

   manu: perf tradeoff 384. long list/changes and trying to
   respond to his concerns. it will take a while but in process

   <manu> [20]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/412

     [20] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/412

   manu: 412 needs dlongley to take a look and davidc to look at
   it to make sure concerns are addressed
   ... creates new jsonld context for use
   ... broke out into seperate jsonld context not in vc context or
   vocabulary. I want everyone to be aware of design pattern.
   ... details like don't archive, this cred is only used for
   subject, goes into it's own vocab in json-ld context but not
   required for conforming

   davidc: did review before meeting. subject that was a property
   now becomes way more complex but not only optional but
   suggestion

   <stonematt> +1 TallTed

   ted: going way past vocab

   <brent> +1 TallTed

   <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note "not downgraded"

   tallted: this is going beyond a data model. lets focus on
   making a data model

   manu: +1
   ... no new normative text, it's just expressing it is the only
   thing suggested by pr
   ... to davidc point, it's on option in the testsuite
   ... if we insist it's subject only it will get ripped out

   <stonematt> implementors list:
   [21]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SzfAUA0J72-1BORHJEm
   Y4cdZrQ6vmKy4oq_24r_NwB4/edit#gid=0

     [21] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SzfAUA0J72-1BORHJEmY4cdZrQ6vmKy4oq_24r_NwB4/edit#gid=0

   stone: reduce the risk of feature at risk
   ... time bound, anything else left

   manu: needs judgment call on this

   <manu> [22]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/415

     [22] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/415

   <manu> [23]https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/420

     [23] https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/420

   manu: lifecycle editions (420) is progressing.
   ... will do that and respond

   <kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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