Re: Unhosted web apps as a use case for Linked Web Storage

so 23. 11. 2024 v 13:51 odesílatel Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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> so 23. 11. 2024 v 13:34 odesílatel Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
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>> Noted, thanks! You are always good at pointing out which innovations lack
>> traction. I’ll take that as an expression of your desire for positive
>> change, hoping that future years will take our ideas into the mainstream!
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>> We’ll leave it to the LWS WG to decide which use cases are too ambitious
>> for them to pick up, and which ones they think are in scope
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>> Good luck with your work on Nostr!
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> Thanks for your reply! Just to clarify, I wasn’t trying to point out
> anything—my question about usage statistics was meant to help the group
> better understand the scale of adoption for unhosted apps. It’s hard to
> gauge whether we’re talking about a handful of users or something much
> larger, and having that context could be helpful.
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> Since the use case was added anyway, it’s a bit unclear why the group’s
> input was needed, but I appreciate the clarification and look forward to
> seeing how this evolves.
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Hi Michiel

I've now had a look at the use cases for LWS

https://github.com/w3c/lws-ucs/issues

There seem to be 128 open use cases of various different levels of maturity
from existing systems to brand new ideas.

I wasnt anticipating the working group taking this direction, rather to
write a FPWD, turn it into a spec, and then a REC.  Though the FPWD has
been delayed now, due to the use case discussion.

So you were indeed correct that the scope is quite broad and could include
unhosted apps, even if they dont have usage, they are still ahead of some
of the completely new ideas.

I'm hopeful the group will get to REC on time, though there seems to be a
huge amount of material in the ucs, and I'm unsure how that will be
prioritized.

Anyway looking forward to seeing how it all evolves.  I think make
something like LWS could be quite useful if it's an umbrella for different
techs.

Best
Melvin

PS I'm working on a helpful .com resource for ucs that saves searching for
all the different repos

https://linkedwebstorage.com/


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>> Cheers,
>> Michiel
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>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 at 15:28, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> pá 22. 11. 2024 v 9:08 odesílatel Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
>>> napsal:
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>>>> Good points Melvin! But obviously LWS was not started to scratch an
>>>> existing i of the general public. It's forward looking form part of a
>>>> better web.
>>>> If you only give them use cases within the mindset of how the web works
>>>> today, then we'll just be asking them for "faster horses" and they will
>>>> never be able to build a "car engine".
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>>>> I think the best way to work would be to file both "faster horses"-type
>>>> and "car engine"-type use cases in
>>>> https://github.com/w3c/lws-ucs/issues and then the working group can
>>>> filter through them as they see fit.
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>>> Thanks for sharing! I see where you’re coming from, but do you have any
>>> data or user stats for apps like Litewrite or Sharesome? For apps that have
>>> been around for 10 years, it’d be really helpful to see evidence of active
>>> usage and demand.
>>>
>>> W3C working groups generally aim to prioritize serious, real-world use
>>> cases, and it’s important that we base our work on demonstrable user
>>> interest. For example, Nostr has multiple client-side apps with a
>>> measurable user base of over 50,000 trusted weekly active users (see:
>>> https://stats.nostr.band/).
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>>> Unless Unhosted can show similar interest or activity, I wonder if it
>>> might be better suited as a use case at the CG level for now, rather than
>>> at the WG level. Otherwise, it risks coming across as a bit of political
>>> shoe-horning, which I’m sure isn’t the intention here.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your thoughts!
>>>
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>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Michiel
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>>>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 at 03:24, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> pá 22. 11. 2024 v 1:20 odesílatel Nick Jennings <nick@silverbucket.net>
>>>>> napsal:
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>>>>>> On 21.11.2024 22:25, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
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>>>>>> čt 21. 11. 2024 v 17:58 odesílatel Michiel de Jong <
>>>>>> michiel@unhosted.org> napsal:
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>>>>>>> Should we add unhosted web apps as a use case for linked web storage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have some examples of unhosted apps that are still working?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Off the top of my head:
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>>>>>> * https://litewrite.net
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>>>>>> * https://sharesome.5apps.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I know there are several more, I just can't recall them and don't
>>>>>> know of an up-to-date curated list.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the examples, Nick! Litewrite does bring back memories—I
>>>>> used it back in the day too. It’s a shame it’s blocked by Google now, and
>>>>> given that it hasn’t been updated since 2018, it feels like it’s no longer
>>>>> representative of an active ecosystem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it’s great to explore use cases, but I wonder if focusing on
>>>>> apps or approaches that are still widely used and actively maintained might
>>>>> make more sense for this group. W3C RECs tend to carry the most value when
>>>>> they reflect what’s already working well in the real world. Standardizing
>>>>> something with a strong existing community of users feels like the best way
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this makes sense!
>>>>>
>>>>>> -Nick
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>>>>>