{Minutes} TTWG Teleconference 2023-08-31

Thanks all for joining today’s TTWG Teleconference, despite me sending the agenda out late – apologies!

Minutes can be found in HTML format at https://www.w3.org/2023/08/31-tt-minutes.html


We meet next at TPAC on 2023-09-11.

Those minutes in text format:

   [1]W3C

      [1] https://www.w3.org/


                Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

31 August 2023

   [2]Previous meeting. [3]Agenda. [4]IRC log.

      [2] https://www.w3.org/2023/08/03-tt-minutes.html

      [3] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/261

      [4] https://www.w3.org/2023/08/31-tt-irc


Attendees

   Present
          Andreas, Atsushi, Chris, Cyril, Gary, Matt, Nigel,
          Pierre

   Regrets
          none

   Chair
          Nigel

   Scribe
          nigel

Contents

    1. [5]This meeting
    2. [6]TPAC Planning
         1. [7]Joint meetings
    3. [8]IMSC-HRM
    4. [9]DAPT
    5. [10]Meeting close

Meeting minutes

  This meeting

   Nigel: TPAC planning
   … IMSC-HRM
   … DAPT
   … Is any other business, or points to make sure we cover?

   no other business

  TPAC Planning

   Nigel: This is our last call before we meet at TPAC
   … Would be good to have as many agenda topics as needed for
   Chairs to wrangle.

   Github: [11]w3c/ttwg#262

     [11] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/262


   Nigel: Specific requested topics:
   … To discuss webvtt issue 511 about metadata cue formats
   … and
   … Eric Carlson and Marcos Caceres asked for time to talk about
   a Text Track Cue proposal they are planning to work on.
   … That one is about cues that insert HTML fragments. I think
   Pierre had some involvement with that
   … several years ago.
   … It's in the Safari Developer Preview and has been for a
   while.
   … Looks like they want to take it to the next stage and discuss
   actual spec changes, and TTWG
   … is one of the affected groups I think.
   … They asked for it to be later in the day so US folk can dial
   in. Eric will be there in person.

   Gary: I will not be.

   Nigel: Are there any other specific agenda topic requests right
   now?
   … The other two agenda topics that I recalled DAPT and IMSC-HRM
   implementations
   … As last year for DAPT I would hope to make some progress if
   Cyril is present.

   Cyril: I will not be there in person but can wake up early to
   join discussions.
   … The Media WG meets from 1400-1900 (on whichever day of the
   week) to accommodate people on the West Coast.

   Gary: I just checked - they meet on Monday afternoon, and MEIG
   meets on Monday morning.

   Nigel: I don't think I've received feedback on DAPT or IMSC-HRM
   yet

   Pierre: I've had some interest from folks who want me to bug
   them in September.
   … One major platform ran imschrm on a big part of their
   library.
   … It turns out that a bunch of their IMSC documents were
   actually invalid.
   … We're in the process of making sure that all the failures
   were not due to HRM failures.

   Cyril: Syntactically?

   Pierre: Yes, they were invalid syntactically - all the failures
   were not HRM related.

   Nigel: Were they the sort of syntax errors you might expect to
   be valid reasonably?

   Pierre: One of the issues was that 29.97 framerate content had
   frame counts of 30 occasionally.
   … We're working through that.
   … I expect mid-late September to have additional results.

   Nigel: Does that mean we have no IMSC or IMSC-HRM topics for
   TPAC?

   Pierre: I'm not aware of anything.

   Andreas: One more possible topic. Currently some standards orgs
   are working on liaisons that may
   … reach TTWG and cause an agenda topic. We can decide when it
   arrives.

   Nigel: Thank you for the warning.
   … In that case we have a small number of topics for the Chairs
   to arrange into a schedule.
   … Thanks all.
   … Anything else on TPAC planning?

    Joint meetings

   Nigel: On the Monday 11:50-12:35 Spanish time, joint between
   TTWG, MEIG and (I thought) Media WG.
   … Chris has put together an agenda for the whole MEIG session,
   still a little fluid in terms of the details on the slides.

   [12]MEIG agenda slides

     [12] https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sadWsW1NZkfjlUdZ5FkXa_taUCzp1jyBNtemqY2WXgE/edit?usp=sharing


   Gary: We had previously brought up a discussion about the Text
   Track API but
   … I don't think anyone is ready to talk about that because I
   think,
   … especially because of my circumstances, it fell on the floor.

   Nigel: Yes, that is a shame, however the Text Track Cue API
   discussion might help that along potentially.

   Gary: Yes, that definitely covers a portion of our big ideals.

   Nigel: Let us know if there's anything else to discuss in that
   joint meeting.
   … The next joint call we have is on the Thursday afternoon,
   with APA and MEIG, 14:30-16:30 Spanish time.
   … Chris previously put together a short agenda of bullet points
   which I think we've circulated here before.
   … I don't have it to hand right now.
   … I propose we re-circulate that offline.

   Chris: for the APA WG joint meeting, I have added the suggested
   topics to [13]w3c/media-and-entertainment#95 (comment)

     [13] https://github.com/w3c/media-and-entertainment/issues/95#issuecomment-1580622323


   Nigel: I think we normally put together an agenda page that's
   more easily consumable in one place by attendees
   … so I should give myself the action to do that.

   [14]Prepare agenda page for TPAC

     [14] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/265


  IMSC-HRM

   Nigel: Pierre, you mentioned this at the front of the meeting.
   Anything more to say?

   Pierre: No, based on encouraging commitments I expect results
   at the end of September.

   Nigel: Great, thank you.

   Pierre: Unless we discover that everyone has invalid IMSC
   libraries! That would be a bigger issue.
   … It is an issue because it makes testing the HRM difficult.

   Nigel: There's a wider point here about the technical quality
   of tools.
   … I often see issues that need ironing out.

   Pierre: Maybe there's an opportunity to make further progress
   on fixing invalid file production.

   [Pierre drops off the call]

  DAPT

   Nigel: I haven't seen anything over the last few weeks. Cyril,
   have you?

   Cyril: No, I stopped on this after the HR forms. I need to pick
   it up again.
   … You had some suggestions about the explainer, Nigel, which I
   need to action.
   … Maybe I could do the internationalisation request pointing to
   the draft explainer and then fix it?

   Nigel: I don't think the changes I suggested were huge.

   Cyril: In that case I can do them today or tomorrow and then
   make the request.
   … Also I sent messages to studio contacts to see if they have
   any opinions and can contribute comments.
   … I don't know if it will lead to anything.
   … I reached out to Disney, Warner, Apple, CableLabs and I think
   one more.

   Nigel: Would you be able to add those to the Outreach log on
   the wiki page?

   Cyril: Yes, I will.

   Nigel: I also got around to contacting MESA today - thank you
   to both Matt and Pierre for providing details.
   … I added that to the Outreach log also.
   … We have a bunch of open pull requests that need some work
   too, most are for you Cyril, at least one is for me.
   … For the time being though I haven't received any responses to
   our liaisons other than acknowledgement, as far as I am aware.
   … We asked for responses by 10th September.

   Cyril: You will not get a response from MPEG - I can tell you
   the request was received and reviewed,
   … and no action taken.

   Nigel: That's fine, we've done what we needed.
   … I think I am expecting a response from ITU though, need to
   check.
   … I know they received the message and I think they discussed
   it.
   … Anything else to discuss re DAPT right now?

   Cyril: I can't think of anything at the moment.

  Meeting close

   Nigel: We've completed our agenda, thank you everyone.
   … Next meeting will be in Seville, see you there, in person or
   remotely.
   … [adjourns meeting]


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