{Minutes} TTWG Meeting 2021-09-16

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Please note that we agreed to remove the GitHub tt-wg team on or after 2021-09-30, to allow the W3C's automated systems to manage access to TTWG repositories using its database. If you need continuing access then you need to satisfy both:


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  *   associate your W3C profile with your GitHub identity


In text format:

   [1]W3C

      [1] https://www.w3.org/


                Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

16 September 2021

   [2]Previous meeting. [3]Agenda. [4]IRC log.

      [2] https://www.w3.org/2021/09/02-tt-minutes.html

      [3] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/197

      [4] https://www.w3.org/2021/09/16-tt-irc


Attendees

   Present
          Andreas, Atsushi, Cyril, Mike, Nigel, Pierre

   Regrets
          Gary, Glenn

   Chair
          Nigel

   Scribe
          nigel

Contents

    1. [5]This Meeting
    2. [6]IMSC HRM
         1. [7]Pull Request for Initial Draft
         2. [8]Compatibility with IMSC 1.0.1 and 1.1
    3. [9]Charter
    4. [10]AOB - GitHub Group and permissions
    5. [11]AOB - BBC Subtitle Guidelines
    6. [12]Meeting close

Meeting minutes

  This Meeting

   Nigel: Only a few things on the agenda:
   … IMSC HRM, Charter, AOB
   … Atsushi just mentioned for AOB the GitHub groups and
   permissions, so we'll cover that.

   Pierre: I want to get the HRM pull request merged faster than
   the 2 week turnaround.

   Nigel: Plus AOB from me about BBC Subtitle Guidelines

  IMSC HRM

    Pull Request for Initial Draft

   github: [13]https://github.com/w3c/imsc-hrm/pull/1


     [13] https://github.com/w3c/imsc-hrm/pull/1


   Nigel: Action on my to update github-bot!

   Nigel: Apologies I haven't had chance to look at this. It's a
   copy-paste from the existing HRM, right?

   Pierre: Right, that's the goal. I have permissions issues by
   the way.

   Nigel: I hope to get to this in the next couple of hours.

   Atsushi: We are relying on W3C account management so if the W3C
   account is not linked to the GitHub account then permissions
   will not be assigned.

   Nigel: Any editorial questions arising from this, Pierre? I see
   there are a couple of empty sections at the end.

   Pierre: It looks alright - substantively it's identical really.

   Nigel: We will have to put something in for Privacy and
   Security Considerations at some point.

   Pierre: That's fine, we can put something in, I just wanted a
   baseline to start with.

   Nigel: Any questions or comments about the HRM at all?

   Cyril: I saw in the description that the goal is to capture the
   HRM from IMSC 1.2.
   … You copied it from 1.2 and edited the header, right?

   Pierre: That's exactly what I did.

    Compatibility with IMSC 1.0.1 and 1.1

   Cyril: How do you intend to approach compat with 1.0.1 and 1.1?

   Pierre: The next PR will be to make it apply to all versions of
   IMSC.
   … It will be simple because there are only additions.
   … The goal is to have a document that covers IMSC 1, 1.1 and
   1.2, at least for now.
   … The immediate goal is to get at least a draft out to create
   those deltas.

   Cyril: Makes sense

   Mike: The state of this is consistent with that - given the
   approach I will be comfortable to approve.

  Charter

   Nigel: This is for Chairs at the moment, and we don't have Gary
   today.
   … Main question in my mind is what Rec track deliverables to
   list in the new Charter.
   … Current tentative list is our specs in CR, TTML2 and WebVTT,
   … and IMSC HRM and ADPT.
   … Any comments on that list? Additions, subtractions?

   group has no comments

   Nigel: It's the perfect list!

  AOB - GitHub Group and permissions

   Atsushi: We have a historical ttwg GitHub team to assign write
   permissions over TTWG repos.
   … But W3C has switched to an automatic management tool using
   w3c-group-[id] that is configured by the participant
   … list in the W3C database, and the connection between the
   accounts is managed by each user in their W3C profile.

   <atsushi> [14]https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/timed-text/

   participants

     [14] https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/timed-text/participants


   Atsushi: If you don't have GitHub user id in this participant
   list, then you won't have any permissions on TTWG repositories.

   Pierre: How long does it take for the permissions to propagate?

   Atsushi: It will be processed daily or weekly.

   Pierre: I linked my account but still don't have permissions,
   so I'll wait.

   Atsushi: Maybe wait a week or something.

   Nigel: Can you kick it?

   Atsushi: It's managed by sys team, I can ask...

   <atsushi> Systeam <w3t-sys@w3.org>

   Pierre: I can contact them directly.

   Atsushi: Note that this is "geek week" so you may not get an
   instant reply.

   Pierre: Thank you

   Atsushi: sorry for the difficulties - this is much easier for
   us.

   Nigel: Are you proposing deleting a group?

   Atsushi: tt-wg

   Nigel: Have you cross-checked to see if that will impact
   anybody?

   Atsushi: I think I included a list in an email.

   Nigel: Okay, I will take a look - I think I saw that email in
   passing but did not manage to follow up on it yet.

   Nigel: Fair warning to all. Anyone feel that's a challenge to
   them?

   nobody present mentions any difficulty

   Nigel: Alright, shall we set a timeline for removing the group?

   Atsushi: No timeline was defined, but I have a strong push on
   this, so I need to do it before TPAC.

   Nigel: Propose 30 September? So 2 weeks from now it will get
   deleted.

   Atsushi: Yeah 2 weeks or 1 month is fine.

   Nigel: Let's get it done - call it 30 September.

   Atsushi: Thank you.

  AOB - BBC Subtitle Guidelines

   Nigel: Just to let you know that we just published a new
   release version of the BBC subtitle guidelines

   [15]BBC Subtitle Guidelines

     [15] https://bbc.github.io/subtitle-guidelines/


   Nigel: You may be interested in the strengthened requirement to
   meet IMSC 1.0.1 in distribution subtitle documents,
   … and the details added about how to position Teletext
   characters in % coordinates.
   … There's also some detail about authoring and presentation
   font sizes, and how to adjust the presentation font sizes or
   customise them.

  Meeting close

   Nigel: Thank you everyone, we're done early today! [adjourns
   meeting]


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