{Minutes} TTWG Teleconference 2021-11-11

Thanks all for attending today’s TTWG call. Minutes can be found in HTML format at https://www.w3.org/2021/11/11-tt-minutes.html


Summary:


  *   IMSC-HRM has been published as FPWD
  *   Nigel and Pierre to review Horizontal Review checklist and propose any changes for IMSC-HRM
  *   Pierre and Nigel to initiate Wide Review of IMSC-HRM by sending messages to liaisons and other Charter-listed organisations
  *   Atsushi to create a new imsc-hrm-tests repository
  *   Nigel to propose changes to the draft Charter to take into account discussion points
  *   Cyril to present Netflix TTAL in first meeting of December
In text format:

   [1]W3C

      [1] https://www.w3.org/


                Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

11 November 2021

   [2]Previous meeting. [3]Agenda. [4]IRC log.

      [2] https://www.w3.org/2021/10/14-tt-minutes.html

      [3] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/202

      [4] https://www.w3.org/2021/11/11-tt-irc


Attendees

   Present
          Andreas, Atsushi, Cyril, Nigel, Pierre

   Regrets
          Gary

   Chair
          Nigel

   Scribe
          nigel

Contents

    1. [5]This meeting
    2. [6]IMSC HRM
         1. [7]Merging the PR
         2. [8]Should we initiate the HR process immediately?
         3. [9]IMSC HRM tests
    3. [10]Charter
         1. [11]Charter/Process crossover
    4. [12]Meeting close

Meeting minutes

  This meeting

   Nigel: Today we have IMSC HRM
   … And I'd like to add an extra item to that, which is about
   tests.
   … Also we have Charter
   … And A question about Registries
   … Any other business or points to make sure we cover?

   group has no other business

  IMSC HRM

   Nigel: Good news, we published the FPWD, alongside a tweet and
   blog post.
   … Thank you Pierre and Atsushi for getting that done.
   … Call for Exclusion has been issued.

    Merging the PR

   Pierre: Were any other changes made other than the publication
   date so I can merge the PR?

   Atsushi: I edited the github reference and the date.

   Pierre: Okay, thanks.

   Atsushi: There are some respec issues that made me have to edit
   the HTML, but they should get fixed.

   Pierre: Should I change only the date or do you want to make
   those changes on the PR?

   Atsushi: I think only the date.

   Pierre: OK, thanks.

    Should we initiate the HR process immediately?

   Nigel: The sooner we initiate Horizontal Review the better.
   … I wonder if we're ready to do it now?
   … We have an empty Privacy and Security Considerations section,
   so we should write something there.
   … It should be quite easy to write.
   … The nature of this, i.e. specifying a tool that does static
   analysis of a document, means that there isn't really any
   consideration at all.
   … Does that seem fair?

   Pierre: Yes.

   Nigel: I will raise an issue for this.
   … I've raised [13]https://github.com/w3c/imsc-hrm/issues/12

   which is incomplete, just so we have something in place.
   … Any other thoughts on HR?

     [13] https://github.com/w3c/imsc-hrm/issues/12


   Pierre: How do we actually start it? Is it automatic?

   Nigel: It's not automatic
   … But there are tools that help, I think.

   <atsushi> [14]https://www.w3.org/Guide/documentreview/


     [14] https://www.w3.org/Guide/documentreview/


   Atsushi: We need to follow the checklist in the document I just
   pasted. After that I can take an action to add to the HR
   repositories.
   … One minor question. Do we assume the document is already
   stable?

   Nigel: There's one issue open on the content I think.

   Atsushi: I understand that. If we assume we develop some
   section more then it may be better to wait.

   Nigel: My sense is that resolving the open issue about span
   will have no impact on HR.

   Pierre: My sense is that any change for that issue will have no
   impact on HR.
   … Experience is that starting HR sooner is helpful.
   … It should be uneventful because the content has already been
   published.
   … We could go through the checklist now.
   … How do you want to do it Nigel?

   Nigel: I think I'd like 2 members to volunteer and go through
   and comment on the ticket.
   … Because this should be easy, hopefully we will have the same
   conclusions.
   … Doing offline more efficient, if we have something to discuss
   then if need be we can do it on a call.

   Pierre: Happy to volunteer to do that.

   Nigel: Me too.
   … That's now assigned to me and Pierre on the Github issue.
   … Any other questions or thoughts on Horizontal Review?

   Atsushi: Do we want to get wider review from external WGs or
   external parties?

   Pierre: Yes we definitely should send this to ATSC. We've done
   this in the past.
   … It's a courtesy FYI so they're aware of it.

   Nigel: It's more than that - to get to CR we have to
   demonstrate Wide Review.

   Pierre: The Charter requires us to do it, right?

   Nigel: Yes.
   … Since this is content from a previous Rec we could try to
   make the case that it's already had review, but
   … I think it's better to go through the cycle as normal for a
   new spec.

   Pierre: Since we've made some changes we should highlight what
   we've done and the clarifications we have made.

   Nigel: Yes
   … Atsushi did that answer your question?

   Atsushi: Yes

   Nigel: Any more on HR?

   Pierre: Do you want to do tag team on the text to send, and you
   can send it Nigel?

   Nigel: Thanks, that'd be great.

    IMSC HRM tests

   Nigel: We already have imsc-tests - do we want to create a
   subfolder in there for HRM tests or
   … create a new repo just for HRM tests?

   Pierre: I vote for a separate repo but happy to be convinced
   otherwise if someone has strong views.

   Nigel: I have no strong views.
   … (on this!)

   Pierre: The IMSC HRM project I have worked on has some tests so
   we could use those.

   Nigel: Sounds like a good start.
   … Should we create a new repo called imsc-hrm-tests for those
   then?

   Pierre: Sounds good to me

   <atsushi> +1

   Nigel: Atsushi, please could you do that?

   Atsushi: Yes, let me take an action for next week.

   Nigel: done, as [15]https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/206


     [15] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/206


   Nigel: Thank you - when that's created we can look at
   populating it later.

  Charter

   Nigel: I think we're getting there with this - I will need to
   add IMSC HRM as a New Technical Report.

   Cyril: Many of you go, Netflix has been working on a project
   called Timed Text Authoring Lineage,
   … and it's an activity that we want to bring to W3C.
   … Nigel I'm wondering if we can add something to the Charter
   for that?
   … Do you want me to make a formal presentation of the activity
   to the Group?
   … What's the process?

   Nigel: Good question. I think there's a fighting chance that we
   have one deliverable that covers
   … both TTAL and Audio Description requirements, and if we can
   do that, then we should.

   Cyril: Is it a Technical Report or a Rec Track document?

   Nigel: Both.
   … What I think would work well is if you could update the
   requirements and use cases for AD to include the requirements
   of TTAL.

   Cyril: Okay but do we need to do anything in the Charter?

   Nigel: Would it work if...

   Cyril: Change "TTML Profile for Audio Description" to "TTML
   Profile for Audio Description and Dubbing Workflows"?

   Nigel: That's what I was going to suggest!

   Pierre: Can we put on screen the latest draft of the Charter?
   It's a good opportunity to review what it says.
   … It seems weird that we have to anticipate all the potential
   applications of TTML that we may want over 2 years?
   … Can we write the Charter so we don't have to explicitly list
   those.

   Nigel: We already have: "The Working Group MAY develop
   additional Recommendation-track and non-Recommendation-track
   Technical Reports."

   Pierre: Okay.

   Nigel: But if we know we want to do this then it makes sense to
   signal it.

   Atsushi: Actually if there is a resolution in the WG we can add
   anything to the new TR section even if we don't have a finished
   draft yet.
   … Some WGs have the ability to incubate new Rec track
   specifications. The WG lists potential specs under incubation
   in a community group.
   … We can list any document if we consider we might be able to
   work on it in the period of the Charter.

   Nigel: Yes, that's what we do now, which is fine.

   Atsushi: On the other hand we can re-charter at any point to
   include new specs in the TR section.

   Nigel: Oh, that's horrible!
   … Every time we have to recharter it's pain, admin headache and
   we would rather do less of that.
   … I would rather have a more flexible charter.

   Pierre: I think we need to write that the group will work on
   profiles of TTML.
  … If during review someone is not happy then we can talk about
   it.

   Nigel: I will prepare a PR for that, and to remove TTML3 too.

   Pierre: Please point me to it and I will be happy to join the
   conversation.

   Nigel: Will do.

    Charter/Process crossover

   Nigel: Atsushi added this to the agenda.
   … The new Process has come into operation, Process 2021.
   … It allows for a more formal process for managing Registries.
   … We do have some Registries.
   … Question: Do we want to migrate our Registries to the new
   process?
   … Is that the right question?

   Atsushi: Philippe will send that question to Chairs early next
   week.
   … We could include it in Other Deliverables section. The text
   is already quite wide.

   Cyril: Sorry, I'm not clear on the actions needed to adopt
   TTAL.
   … I can propose changes to the Charter wording and the
   Requirements document.
   … Is that all? We could schedule a meeting where I present this
   work.

   Nigel: That's a good idea.

   Cyril: I'm going to give a presentation to the EBU Timed Text
   Group, so if we can do it
   … in 1st meeting December would be good if it's not too late
   for the Charter.

   Nigel: We can widen the Charter now and then adopt the work in
   WG calls later.

   Cyril: Thank you [leaves the call]

   Nigel: Back onto Registries, I propose that we say in Other
   deliverables that the WG will consider migrating Registries.
   … Again, to give us the freedom to make that change later.
   … How does that sound?

   Atsushi: I think that works.

   Andreas: Yes, sounds good

   Nigel: Thanks.

   Atsushi: Just a reminder to Chairs please take a look at the
   message I sent earlier in the week.
   … There are some minor things we need to change.

   Nigel: Okay, I don't think I noticed that, let me check.
   … Oh I see, yes, I have it. Okay, I will respond.
   … I think we need to get the Charter finished quite soon to
   meet the timeline?

   Atsushi: HR is running - Accessibility completed and i18n will
   complete on Tuesday so I hope we can close those reviews
   … and meet the process in a timely manner.
   … We need to finish before going to W3M and have at least 2
   more weeks.

   Nigel: Am I right in thinking we need to be finished by end of
   November?

   Atsushi: We may be already a bit late for that.

   Nigel: I mean before going to W3M

   Atsushi: And AC review.
   … AC review should be 4 or 6 weeks.
   … It's already a bit late.

   Nigel: I think we should make progress as fast as possible and
   then if we need 1 month extension on the current charter that
   is
   … usually granted easily.

   Atsushi: Yes, 1 month or 3 month is usually fine.

   Nigel: Yes, that's what I understand. Okay.

  Meeting close

   Nigel: Thanks everyone, let's adjourn for today. [adjourns
   meeting]


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