{Minutes} TTWG Meeting 2020-01-23

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   [1]W3C

      [1] https://www.w3.org/


                Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

23 January 2020

   [2]Previous meeting. [3]Agenda. [4]IRC log.

      [2] https://www.w3.org/2020/01/16-tt-minutes.html

      [3] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/90

      [4] https://www.w3.org/2020/01/23-tt-irc


Attendees

   Present
          Andreas, Atsushi, Cyril, Glenn, Nigel

   Regrets
          Gary, Pierre

   Chair
          Nigel

   Scribe
          nigel

Contents

     * [5]Meeting minutes
         1. [6]This meeting
         2. [7]IMSC 1.2 FPWD Next steps
         3. [8]Potential semantic conflict between ttp:profile and
            ttp:contentProfiles. imsc#506
         4. [9]TTML2 2nd Edition Wide Review
         5. [10]AOB - (Re-)join to timed text WG after charter
            renewal
         6. [11]Meeting close

Meeting minutes

  This meeting

   Nigel: We have one IMSC issue (noting Pierre's absence), and a
   checkpoint on TTML2 CR publication.
   … Any other business?

   group: [no other business]

  IMSC 1.2 FPWD Next steps

   Nigel: we have one issue for the agenda.
   … Perhaps we can try to cover it even without the IMSC Editor
   present.

  Potential semantic conflict between ttp:profile and
  ttp:contentProfiles. imsc#506

   github: [12]https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/506


     [12] https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/506


   Nigel: I see that Glenn has given this some thought and added
   some comments.
   … This includes a proposal for an informative note for TTML2.
   That could go into IMSC too.

   Glenn: Sure, I wouldn't mind that in IMSC 1.2, that'd be fine.

   Nigel: I certainly wouldn't object to that.

   Glenn: There's another note with similar language at the
   beginning, under styles.

   Nigel: I see, in the note at the bottom of [13]https://
   www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/#styling-attribute-vocabulary

     [13] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/#styling-attribute-vocabulary


   Glenn: I have 10-12 issues on TTV asking for warnings that
   aren't in any specification that a tool could do,
   … for example every IDE or tool chain has something like lint
   or the equivalent that suggests things that an author
   … might want to avoid, and it's always something that gets
   developed and enhanced over time. There's no standard
   … for them, and they get improved. I consider it a Quality of
   Implementation and competition issue.
   … Standards can never adequately enforce everything that
   implementers might come up with.

   Cyril: Maybe having the warning in the IMSC specification would
   prevent IMSC authors from doing stupid things.
   … I'm wondering in practice how many people will do the stupid
   thing.

   Nigel: We should assume that people will always do any stupid
   thing that's available.

   Cyril: The consumer suffers when the author makes a mistake, I
   don't want that.

   Nigel: Are you saying that a note like Glenn's proposal in the
   comment would be helpful?

   Cyril: I wouldn't object to adding the note but the spec is
   okay as is.

   Glenn: Nigel is suggesting adding it to IMSC 1.2 and I have no
   objection to that.

   Cyril: I'm fine with that.

   SUMMARY: Consensus reached to add a note to IMSC 1.2 along the
   lines of @skynavga's comment earlier today. Comments from the
   Editor welcome.

  TTML2 2nd Edition Wide Review

   Nigel: I don't think I have seen any wide review comments
   coming in?

   Glenn: I note that we didn't specify a response date in the
   request for HR.

   Nigel: I don't recall but I agree that would have been a good
   thing to do.

   Glenn: A comment for future reference.

   Nigel: Thank you.

   Nigel: Is anyone aware of any specific HR comments that we have
   received?

   <atsushi_> [14]https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/208


     [14] https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/208


   Nigel: Looking at the list at [15]https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/

   issues/75 I don't think we had any response from
   … accessibility, security or TAG.

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/75


   Atsushi: I couldn't find any response on accessibility or
   security.

   Nigel: Looking at [16]https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/

   issues/432 I think TAG has not yet picked this up.

     [16] https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/432


   Nigel: At this stage I see no reason to hold back from
   publication on the 28th. Does anyone disagree with that?

   Glenn: I know no reason why not.
   … Is there any meeting that needs to be held?

   Nigel: Atsushi posted the transition request link above. I
   don't expect any meeting for this.

   Atsushi: I agree, I'm not expecting a call for transition to
   CR.
   … If this request is acceptable for management it will
   automatically be approved.

   Glenn: Atsushi, have you already uploaded the document to the
   dated URI in the /TR space?

   Atsushi: Not yet

   Glenn: When do you plan to do that?

   Atsushi: In parallel to getting approval for transition. I will
   ping plh on approval and also for further ideas.

   Glenn: Further ideas?

   Atsushi: If he has any objections or comments on the transition
   request I need to get him to update it or I need to convince
   him.

   Glenn: When do you plan to resolve that conversation?

   Atsushi: After this meeting.
   … The usual approval meeting will be Wednesday and Friday so I
   assume it will be this Friday.

   Glenn: Ok, so tomorrow. It's almost Friday your time already!

   Atsushi: Friday MIT time!

   Glenn: Ok, so if there are any issues you will learn about them
   within the next 24 hours and you should let me and Nigel know
   right away, ok?

   Atsushi: I hope so!

   <atsushi_> minutes [17]https://www.w3.org/2020/01/

   23-i18n-minutes.html#item06

     [17] https://www.w3.org/2020/01/23-i18n-minutes.html#item06


   Glenn: If there's any issue please ping me.

   Nigel: Absolutely.

   Cyril: We just got 2 issues through from i18n.

   Nigel: One is 7 minutes ago, the other 3 minutes ago.
   … Scanning them, they both say that they can wait until 3rd Ed,
   so still no reason to hold back publication.

   Nigel: Summarising, there's a resolution already to publish
   TTML2 2nd Ed CR,
   … we have a transition request, which we expect to be processed
   tomorrow,
   … and I will send a status update/reminder to Philippe and
   Atsushi to try to avoid this being passed over,
   … so that we can achieve our target publication date of 28th
   January.

   Glenn: For processing, I will mark the new issues as 3rd
   Edition.

   Atsushi: I told i18n what I told us, that TTML repo has 3rd Ed
   labels so we can use them.

   Nigel: Just for clarity, they are milestones not labels.

  AOB - (Re-)join to timed text WG after charter renewal

   Atsushi: I'm not aware of any unresolved issues here. There's
   one ongoing conversation, but no issues.

   Nigel: OK, I will take this agenda item off for next week.

  Meeting close

   Nigel: Thanks everyone, we have completed our agenda so I will
   adjourn until next week. [adjourns meeting]


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