{Minutes} TTWG meeting 2019-05-16

Thanks to all who attended today’s TTWG meeting. Minutes can be found in HTML format at https://www.w3.org/2019/05/16-tt-minutes.html

There was a problem starting the meeting (slow connectivity from me to Webex) and attendance was low so the discussion was limited to a status update on the Charter.

The minutes in text format:


   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

16 May 2019

   [2]Agenda

      [2] https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/38

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] https://www.w3.org/2019/05/16-tt-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Philippe, Andreas, Glenn, Nigel

   Regrets
          Thierry, Pierre, Cyril, Gary

   Chair
          Nigel

   Scribe
          nigel

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]This meeting
         2. [6]Charter renewal
         3. [7]Meeting close
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     * [9]Summary of Resolutions
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   <scribe> scribe: nigel

This meeting

   Glenn: I'd like to talk about the schedule for the Charter, and
   I have to leave at the half hour.
   ... I don't think we can have any technical discussions today
   given the lack of participants.

   Philippe: I can update on the Charter.

   Nigel: I was hoping to discuss ttml2#1054.

   Glenn: Fragment ID URLs?

   Nigel: yes

   Glenn: I have some work in progress to complete before I can
   take that any further.

   Nigel: Given the attendees it seems like we should discuss
   Charter.
   ... We can't cover WebVTT without Gary. Any AOB?

   group: no AOB

Charter renewal

   Nigel: I suggest a status update from Philippe first.

   Philippe: [work in progress]
   ... not gone to W3M yet. Has been circulated for horizontal
   cross-review.
   ... There is a small tweak to make, nothing major.

   Glenn: I've raised my concern previously about the dates for
   TTML2 2nd Ed and TTML3. I think its impossible
   ... to resolve 50 issues on TTML2 between now and June 1 when
   we're expecting FPWD.
   ... My suggestion is to push out those dates by 1 year compared
   to the current Charter draft.
   ... The current dates are not going to happen.
   ... Unless we defer some issues to 3rd Ed.

   Nigel: I would like to separate TTML3 from TTML2 for this, and
   I think there's less of a drive for TTML3.
   ... I would like to do what we said we'd do before and set a
   timetable for TTML2 2nd Ed and resolve the issues we can
   ... within that timescale and defer the remainder.

   Glenn: I agree about separating the timelines for TTML2 2nd Ed
   and TTML3.
   ... But I still think we should delay 2nd Ed. It is feasible to
   meet an April 1 Rec date but no way by the end of the year.

   Nigel: I would say March 31 is the absolute latest.

   <plh> [10]https://w3c.github.io/charter-timed-text/

     [10] https://w3c.github.io/charter-timed-text/

   Philippe: I don't see any timeline in the proposed Charter. Am
   I missing something?

   Nigel: I agree, there's a link to the group publication status
   page.

   Philippe: Which is great.

   Glenn: We can update that without changing the Charter, right?

   Philippe: Correct. It would be good to have realistic
   timelines.

   Glenn: I'm all for having no dates in the Charter.

   Philippe: At some point we might want to switch to Evergreen,
   the proposal to do Living Standards at W3C.
   ... It's only a proposal, not part of the process.

   Nigel: Glenn, it seems like your concerns are addressed?

   Glenn: Right, I have no problems with the draft Charter as it
   is.

   Philippe: The publication page has no milestones in it yet
   either.
   ... I hope to get it to W3M by end of May. I would like to wrap
   up on WebVTT too, so if we can move it to PR
   ... then my story would be better. I would hate to revise the
   Charter without WebVTT moving to PR. That needs Gary
   ... to have that conversation.

   Nigel: At this stage I don't think we have enough input
   materials in terms of the implementation report to make a
   ... decision about moving to PR.

   Philippe: I suggest you mention what you need from Gary to move
   ahead.

   Nigel: Yes.

   Philippe: I want to do the minimum to declare victory here and
   make WebVTT a Rec and move on because whether
   ... we like it or not it is part of the web, and not making it
   a Recommendation will not make it go away.

   Nigel: OK, as long as we're within the requirements of the
   Process. I just haven't seen the documentation that says
   ... all the non-at-risk features are implemented. When we have
   that I'm sure we can move ahead.

Meeting close

   Nigel: Given the attendance, and that Glenn has to drop off the
   call now, and that we have no more agenda topics
   ... to cover, let's adjourn a little earlier than planned
   today. Thanks everyone, apologies again for the late start from
   me.
   ... [adjourns meeting]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

   [End of minutes]
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