Re: Future of WebVTT

I'll definitely make sure to attend the weekly TTWG teleconference. I've
added it to my calendar so I won't forget. I should be able to attend this
Thursday's meeting.

I don't know much about the TTWG F2F and but I can find out if I get more
information about it.

--Gary.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 2:55 AM Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:

> Gary,
>
> On sunday, I did miss your name in the list ;-(
> Therefore nothing administrative to do on your side.
>
> To join the weekly TTWG teleconference :
>
> Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to UTC Time, the correct
> time of this teleconference in your locale may change.
> Check
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181108T15&p1=1440
> Thursdays 15:03am-17:00pm UTC
>  Joining details:
> see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html
> (members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please contact
> me)
>
> Do you think you can attend a teleconference soon ?
>
> We will have a TTWG F2F in Geneva, Jan 30and 31st at EBU.
>
> Do you think you could attend to discuss WebVTT ?
>
> Thierry
>
>
> On 18/11/2018 22:17, Gary Katsevman wrote:
>
> When logging on to that page, I see myself listed there. I thought I
> applied and was granted Invited Expert status back in September.
> Was there anything else to do?
>
> Thanks,
> --Gary.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 3:34 PM Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> May I recommend inviting him as an expert? Would that resolve the issue?
>> Thanks,
>> Silvia.
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 9:27 PM Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Silvia,
>> >
>> > The TTWG participants are listed here:
>> >
>> > https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=34314
>> >
>> > As you can see that Gary is not a TTWG participant
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Thierry
>> >
>> >
>> > On 17/11/2018 21:08, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Thierry,
>> > I was under the impression that Gary was an invited expert in the TTWG
>> and this able to take over. Could you please check?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Silvia.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat., 17 Nov. 2018, 6:47 pm Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org wrote:
>> >>
>> >> David,
>> >>
>> >> If we let it lie there are poor chances it will stand up ;-)
>> >>
>> >> But if that is the plan let's go for it.
>> >>
>> >> Thierry.
>> >>
>> >> On 16/11/2018 20:02, David Singer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> what PLH and I agreed was that we’d let the situation lie until the
>> re-charter. If Gary produces the materials, we can help steer it through
>> (and maybe he’d join).
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 16, 2018, at 10:58 , Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> David,
>> >>
>> >> Without you and Sylvia, there is none left in the TTWG to work on
>> WebVTT.
>> >> Gary isn't a TTWG participant.
>> >>
>> >> With regards to this configuration, I don't see how we could achieve
>> to exit CR.
>> >>
>> >> Probably  the best is to publish a Working Group Note as you had
>> proposed earlier.
>> >>
>> >> Thierry
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 16/11/2018 18:17, David Singer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> Gary, the new editor, has an idea of how to show we have
>> implementation and interop.  He’s aware of the need to do that before the
>> re-charter happens. At TPAC I effectively stepped away; PLH asked me to
>> stay as nominal co-chair until the re-charter but I can no longer give this
>> even the minimal attention I was giving it.
>> >>
>> >> I’m wishing Gary the best of luck, asking my colleagues to help him as
>> much as they can (and other implementers)…
>> >>
>> >> Silvia also can no longer give this the degree of attention she was
>> giving it (she’s in a startup in a different field).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:31 , Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> David,  Sylvia,
>> >>
>> >> WebVTT was published as a Candidate Recommendation on 10 May 2018.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-webvtt1-20180510/
>> >>
>> >> In order to exit CR, the TTWG needs to demonstrate implementation
>> experience according the the WebVTT exit criteria.
>> >>
>> >> Recently David sent an email saying that "there is no-one who is
>> willing to do the work to document VTT interoperability and the CR exit
>> criteria, and that we might still have trouble proving implementability of
>> every feature." He also added "we should not prolong the fiction that we’ll
>> emerge from CR into Rec status, but instead do what the process requires,
>> publish the CR as a WG note, and also keep the CG alive to keep the living
>> standard."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Oct/0047.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sylvia seems to say that there is a certain level of implementation of
>> the WebVTT features and their interoperability based on the Web Platform
>> Tests (WPT).
>> >>
>> >> Therefore we need to discus this and evaluate there is a path to move
>> forward.
>> >>
>> >> The TTWG is considering rechartering its Charter by May 2019 for new
>> deliverable.
>> >>
>> >> My management told me that if WebVTT could not exit CR by May 2019, it
>> is unlikely it will make it into the next Charter.
>> >>
>> >> Therefore David and Sylvia, could you please join the next TTWG
>> Thursday meeting,  to discuss this issue ?
>> >>
>> >> - How complete is the WebVTT test suite ?
>> >> - What is the current level of WebVTT implementation?
>> >> - Who will do the work to document WebVTT interoperability and the CR
>> exit criteria
>> >>
>> >> Looking forward to talk to you during a next meeting,
>> >>
>> >> Thierry.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> David Singer
>> >> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> David Singer
>> >> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>> >>
>>
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