Re: Future of WebVTT

Great! That helps for sure. I myself am presently at GMT+8, same as AWST.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 5:42 AM Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Gary is in the right timezone for it! :-)
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:33 AM Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com> wrote:
> >
> > It looks like Thierry missed your entry in the participants list. All
> looks good there.
> >
> > The main thing  you should do to participate is to call into the weekly
> calls, at least on an occasional basis, so that we can keep up to date and
> know that something is happening with VTT, which has not been the case
> hitherto.
> >
> > G.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 5:18 AM Gary Katsevman <me@gkatsev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> When logging on to that page, I see myself listed there. I thought I
> applied and was granted Invited Expert status back in September.
> >> Was there anything else to do?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> --Gary.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 3:34 PM Silvia Pfeiffer <
> silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> May I recommend inviting him as an expert? Would that resolve the
> issue?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Silvia.
> >>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 9:27 PM Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Silvia,
> >>> >
> >>> > The TTWG participants are listed here:
> >>> >
> >>> > https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=34314
> >>> >
> >>> > As you can see that Gary is not a TTWG participant
> >>> >
> >>> > Best,
> >>> >
> >>> > Thierry
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 17/11/2018 21:08, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi Thierry,
> >>> > I was under the impression that Gary was an invited expert in the
> TTWG and this able to take over. Could you please check?
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> > Silvia.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sat., 17 Nov. 2018, 6:47 pm Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> David,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If we let it lie there are poor chances it will stand up ;-)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> But if that is the plan let's go for it.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thierry.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 16/11/2018 20:02, David Singer wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> what PLH and I agreed was that we’d let the situation lie until the
> re-charter. If Gary produces the materials, we can help steer it through
> (and maybe he’d join).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Nov 16, 2018, at 10:58 , Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> David,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Without you and Sylvia, there is none left in the TTWG to work on
> WebVTT.
> >>> >> Gary isn't a TTWG participant.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> With regards to this configuration, I don't see how we could
> achieve to exit CR.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Probably  the best is to publish a Working Group Note as you had
> proposed earlier.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thierry
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 16/11/2018 18:17, David Singer wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Gary, the new editor, has an idea of how to show we have
> implementation and interop.  He’s aware of the need to do that before the
> re-charter happens. At TPAC I effectively stepped away; PLH asked me to
> stay as nominal co-chair until the re-charter but I can no longer give this
> even the minimal attention I was giving it.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I’m wishing Gary the best of luck, asking my colleagues to help him
> as much as they can (and other implementers)…
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Silvia also can no longer give this the degree of attention she was
> giving it (she’s in a startup in a different field).
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:31 , Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
> >>> >>  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> David,  Sylvia,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> WebVTT was published as a Candidate Recommendation on 10 May 2018.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/CR-webvtt1-20180510/
> >>> >>
> >>> >> In order to exit CR, the TTWG needs to demonstrate implementation
> experience according the the WebVTT exit criteria.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Recently David sent an email saying that "there is no-one who is
> willing to do the work to document VTT interoperability and the CR exit
> criteria, and that we might still have trouble proving implementability of
> every feature." He also added "we should not prolong the fiction that we’ll
> emerge from CR into Rec status, but instead do what the process requires,
> publish the CR as a WG note, and also keep the CG alive to keep the living
> standard."
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Oct/0047.html
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sylvia seems to say that there is a certain level of implementation
> of the WebVTT features and their interoperability based on the Web Platform
> Tests (WPT).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Therefore we need to discus this and evaluate there is a path to
> move forward.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The TTWG is considering rechartering its Charter by May 2019 for
> new deliverable.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My management told me that if WebVTT could not exit CR by May 2019,
> it is unlikely it will make it into the next Charter.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Therefore David and Sylvia, could you please join the next TTWG
> Thursday meeting,  to discuss this issue ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - How complete is the WebVTT test suite ?
> >>> >> - What is the current level of WebVTT implementation?
> >>> >> - Who will do the work to document WebVTT interoperability and the
> CR exit criteria
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Looking forward to talk to you during a next meeting,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thierry.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> David Singer
> >>> >> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> David Singer
> >>> >> Manager, Software Standards, Apple Inc.
> >>> >>
>