Re: edited TTWG draft charter, VTT?

we just need to close the remaining bugs (if any) and I need to finish the transition request.  I’ll check the bugs in the next day or so and finish the request by thursday.

guys, let’s push it out.

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 11:32 , Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pierre,
> 
> thats what Im talking about: the time spent in this group on moving
> WebVTT to CR has been negligible. All the effort has been done by
> others outside the group. This group was tasked with a transition it
> basically has no interest in.
> 
> And about exit criteria: this is the first CR of WebVTT. It has more
> implementations and complete features than the very first time TTML
> went to CR - there's no way you can compare the status of the two
> specifications at first CR and not see this difference.
> 
> I am not angry about this - it is what it is. I'd just like the
> decision to be made.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Silvia.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 5:26 AM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux
> <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
>> Hi Silvia,
>> 
>>> No other specification in the history of W3C has had to jump through this many hoops to get to CR.
>> 
>> As far as I know, WebVTT has been held to the same criteria for CR
>> transition as IMSC (and TTML2).
>> 
>> For better or for worse, the group has collectively spent multiple
>> hundreds of man-hours closing
>> issues leading up to the TTML2 CR.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> -- Pierre
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer
>> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If there is a decision this group should take, it's to move webvtt to CR. I
>>> challenge you to get this done rather than throw another process roadblock
>>> at webvtt.
>>> 
>>> It's ready and has been for a long time. No other specification in the
>>> history of W3C has had to jump through this many hoops to get to CR.
>>> 
>>> All other groups of the W3C have deemed it ready for months of not years.
>>> 
>>> Do everyone a favour and just decide to move it.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Silvia.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue., 27 Mar. 2018, 3:16 am Nigel Megitt, <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Not so much an opinion as a restatement - at this point we seem to be in
>>>> the realm of process. We made the following resolution at TPAC 2016 in
>>>> Lisbon [1] as proposed by David Singer:
>>>> 
>>>>> RESOLUTION: If we do not move WebVTT to CR in this Charter period then
>>>>> we will not include it in any new Charter.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-tt-minutes.html#resolution01
>>>> 
>>>> If there's another way to meet the needs of the folk who want to progress
>>>> VTT, then one way to satisfy that resolution is to close this line of work
>>>> in TTWG and remove it from the draft new Charter; I think the Process
>>>> requires publication as a WG Note in this event. I assume that this does
>>>> not preclude taking it up again in another WG or other forum.
>>>> 
>>>> I can't actually see any other ways to satisfy the resolution - are there
>>>> any?
>>>> 
>>>> Otherwise we would need to make a new different decision very quickly (and
>>>> our Decision Policy review period for any decision made now expires after
>>>> the end of the current Charter, so time is not in favour); before doing
>>>> that I would ideally like to see some evidence that something has changed
>>>> to warrant us revisiting it.
>>>> 
>>>> For tracking purposes, I raised
>>>> https://github.com/w3c/charter-timed-text/issues/21 on Thursday 22nd
>>>> March.
>>>> 
>>>> Nigel
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 23/03/2018, 17:21, "David Singer" <singer@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I¹m in debate with Silvia over the progression of VTT.  Do others have
>>>>> opinions?
>>>>> 
>>>>> With WhatWG on a firmer footing, much of the original motivation to do a
>>>>> Rec. has evaporated, and at this point looks like a lot of busy work to
>>>>> little reward. Are there people who see it differently?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2018, at 3:16 , Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have edited the TTWG draft charter with the changes agreed during our
>>>>>> TTWG telecon.
>>>>>> Please review the draft charter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://w3c.github.io/charter-timed-text/Draft-2018-TTWG-Charter.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Deadline is Monday midnight US coast. I will send the charter on
>>>>>> tuesday to W3M for approval, and will request a charter extension.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thierry
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Singer
>>>>> 
>>>>> singer@mac.com
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 

David Singer

singer@mac.com

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