- From: David Singer <singer@mac.com>
- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:38:35 -0700
- To: Silvia Pfieffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
- Cc: Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>, Thierry Michel <tmichel@w3.org>, W3C Public TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
we just need to close the remaining bugs (if any) and I need to finish the transition request. I’ll check the bugs in the next day or so and finish the request by thursday. guys, let’s push it out. > On Mar 26, 2018, at 11:32 , Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Pierre, > > thats what Im talking about: the time spent in this group on moving > WebVTT to CR has been negligible. All the effort has been done by > others outside the group. This group was tasked with a transition it > basically has no interest in. > > And about exit criteria: this is the first CR of WebVTT. It has more > implementations and complete features than the very first time TTML > went to CR - there's no way you can compare the status of the two > specifications at first CR and not see this difference. > > I am not angry about this - it is what it is. I'd just like the > decision to be made. > > Kind Regards, > Silvia. > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 5:26 AM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux > <pal@sandflow.com> wrote: >> Hi Silvia, >> >>> No other specification in the history of W3C has had to jump through this many hoops to get to CR. >> >> As far as I know, WebVTT has been held to the same criteria for CR >> transition as IMSC (and TTML2). >> >> For better or for worse, the group has collectively spent multiple >> hundreds of man-hours closing >> issues leading up to the TTML2 CR. >> >> Best, >> >> -- Pierre >> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer >> <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com> wrote: >>> If there is a decision this group should take, it's to move webvtt to CR. I >>> challenge you to get this done rather than throw another process roadblock >>> at webvtt. >>> >>> It's ready and has been for a long time. No other specification in the >>> history of W3C has had to jump through this many hoops to get to CR. >>> >>> All other groups of the W3C have deemed it ready for months of not years. >>> >>> Do everyone a favour and just decide to move it. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Silvia. >>> >>> >>> On Tue., 27 Mar. 2018, 3:16 am Nigel Megitt, <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> Not so much an opinion as a restatement - at this point we seem to be in >>>> the realm of process. We made the following resolution at TPAC 2016 in >>>> Lisbon [1] as proposed by David Singer: >>>> >>>>> RESOLUTION: If we do not move WebVTT to CR in this Charter period then >>>>> we will not include it in any new Charter. >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-tt-minutes.html#resolution01 >>>> >>>> If there's another way to meet the needs of the folk who want to progress >>>> VTT, then one way to satisfy that resolution is to close this line of work >>>> in TTWG and remove it from the draft new Charter; I think the Process >>>> requires publication as a WG Note in this event. I assume that this does >>>> not preclude taking it up again in another WG or other forum. >>>> >>>> I can't actually see any other ways to satisfy the resolution - are there >>>> any? >>>> >>>> Otherwise we would need to make a new different decision very quickly (and >>>> our Decision Policy review period for any decision made now expires after >>>> the end of the current Charter, so time is not in favour); before doing >>>> that I would ideally like to see some evidence that something has changed >>>> to warrant us revisiting it. >>>> >>>> For tracking purposes, I raised >>>> https://github.com/w3c/charter-timed-text/issues/21 on Thursday 22nd >>>> March. >>>> >>>> Nigel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23/03/2018, 17:21, "David Singer" <singer@mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I¹m in debate with Silvia over the progression of VTT. Do others have >>>>> opinions? >>>>> >>>>> With WhatWG on a firmer footing, much of the original motivation to do a >>>>> Rec. has evaporated, and at this point looks like a lot of busy work to >>>>> little reward. Are there people who see it differently? >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 23, 2018, at 3:16 , Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have edited the TTWG draft charter with the changes agreed during our >>>>>> TTWG telecon. >>>>>> Please review the draft charter >>>>>> >>>>>> https://w3c.github.io/charter-timed-text/Draft-2018-TTWG-Charter.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Deadline is Monday midnight US coast. I will send the charter on >>>>>> tuesday to W3M for approval, and will request a charter extension. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thierry >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David Singer >>>>> >>>>> singer@mac.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> David Singer singer@mac.com
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