Re: IMSC1.0.1 schemas as a WG Note now

Exactly - so far I haven't seen any use cases or requirements that are not
met by having a stable release tag directly in the repo, especially when
the thing being published is code rather than a document.


On 26/06/2017, 14:05, "David Singer" <singer@mac.com> wrote:

>I think that in the past, we have indeed copied files like Schemas from
>their cms into a document that is then published. The question that I
>think is worth asking, if we have a public repo under a public product
>like Git, is why? I think it¹s worth asking whether we can tag the stable
>release, within the repo, and refer to them from a short document (if
>needed). It has the obvious advantages for the writers of being less
>work, and for the readers that they easily see what later work has been
>done (probably involving bug fixes).
>
>
>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:16 , Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Just to explain my thinking, I see the XML Schema for IMSC as
>>essentially a software product published by the Group alongside the spec
>>for utility. It seems to me that a GitHub repo is the appropriate and
>>most user friendly way to access the source code. By using a release tag
>>we can generate a stable URL easily.
>> 
>> I'm not against publishing in a more traditional static web page but I
>>think we lose out on flexibility and ability to process issues and make
>>it slightly harder for developers to track and download updates that may
>>be made in the future.
>> 
>> Nigel
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Jun 2017, at 07:38, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Glenn,
>>> This example is exactly what I was speaking about.
>>> 
>>> Another example in IMSC1 is the errata page (which carries informative
>>>info) and is linked from the REC.
>>> 
>>> The errata page can be updated by the TTWG, when necessary.
>>> 
>>> Thierry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Le 25/06/2017 à 21:52, Glenn Adams a écrit :
>>>> FYI. The TTML1 schemas are published at
>>>> 
>>>> * http://www.w3.org/2013/09/ttml1/xsd/schema.zip
>>>> * http://www.w3.org/2013/09/ttml1/rnc/schema.zip
>>>> 
>>>> These are not under TR but are still permanent, stable URLs. So I
>>>> suspect this is what Thierry has in mind.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux
>>>> <pal@sandflow.com <mailto:pal@sandflow.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   Hi Thierry,
>>>> 
>>>>> Publishing those XSD in the W3C space (out of TR) is easy. It is a
>>>>>stable URI. It has been used for years.
>>>> 
>>>>   Can you give an example of a resource "in the W3C space (out of
>>>>TR)"?
>>>> 
>>>>   What is the process for modifying such resources that are referenced
>>>>   in a REC?
>>>> 
>>>>   Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>>   -- Pierre
>>>> 
>>>>   On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org
>>>>   <mailto:tmichel@w3.org>> wrote:
>>>>> Please let's have a simple process here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Publishing those XSD in the W3C space (out of TR) is easy. It is a
>>>>   stable
>>>>> URI. It has been used for years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I prefer this than publishing in Github, which may not be stable
>>>>   and is not
>>>>> user frendly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thierry
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le 24/06/2017 à 18:26, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux a écrit :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Nigel,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It sounds like we are inventing a new process when the WG Note
>>>>   process
>>>>>> already exists.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Pierre
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Nigel Megitt
>>>>   <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk <mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2017, at 17:20, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux
>>>>   <pal@sandflow.com <mailto:pal@sandflow.com>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Nigel,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Why the complexity here?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am concerned that modifying the github repo can be done by any
>>>>>>>> number of folks, including by mistake.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It can; I would suggest tagging a release when we have a known
>>>>   good state
>>>>>>> (as far as we are aware at that time) and declaring the current
>>>>   operational
>>>>>>> release tag in a protected master branch readme file.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Then any change would only be reflected in a new release by
>>>>>>>explicit
>>>>>>> decision, which could be by Group consensus.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nigel
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Revising a WG Note requires group consensus.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am open to other options.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- Pierre
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:16 AM, Nigel Megitt
>>>>   <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk <mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why the complexity here? Can't we just publish the GitHub repo
>>>>   details
>>>>>>>>> and host them directly from there? That makes them much easier
>>>>   to use and
>>>>>>>>> update.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Nigel
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2017, at 06:45, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org
>>>>   <mailto:tmichel@w3.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>>> We don't necessarly need to have a WG Note for this.
>>>>>>>>>> We can publish the current schemas files on the W3C site (out
>>>>   of TR)
>>>>>>>>>> and that will be good enough. No over burdon.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I propose to host those schemas at
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>   https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/IMSC/ttml-imsc1.0.1/xml-schemas/
>>>>   <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/IMSC/ttml-imsc1.0.1/xml-schemas/>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> and change the link in the spec to this URI.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thierry
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 24/06/2017 à 01:04, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> put the schemas in a WG Note now and reference it before
>>>>   publishing
>>>>>>>>>>>> IMSC1.0.1.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok with me. I would create a separate directory on the IMSC
>>>>   github
>>>>>>>>>>> repo to host the WG Note and XSD collection.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Happy to do this by Monday COB, in time for approval on
>>>>   Thursday and
>>>>>>>>>>> the IMSC1.0.1 CR transition, unless significant concerns are
>>>>   raised.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This switch might not even be substantive since the XSD are
>>>>>>>>>>> informative in IMSC1.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Pierre
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael Dolan
>>>>   <mike@dolan.tv <mailto:mike@dolan.tv>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the apparent process challenges for updating the
>>>>   informative
>>>>>>>>>>>> schemas
>>>>>>>>>>>> for IMSC1, I¹d like to propose that we do that before
>>>>   publication of
>>>>>>>>>>>> IMSC1.0.1 ­ put the schemas in a WG Note now and reference
>>>>   it before
>>>>>>>>>>>> publishing IMSC1.0.1.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>              Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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