- From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:50:01 -0700
- To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Cc: TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CACQ=j+dzhmVN2At2=ME=CBOvh2Breo8pSNzkiXApneK8ecoMVw@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks all for attending today's meeting. Minutes can be found in HTML > format at https://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-tt-minutes.html > > We made 1 resolution: > > *RESOLUTION: IMSC 1 has met its exit criteria; we intend to exit CR for > IMSC 1 at the earliest available date, having made any further required > editorial changes.* > +1 > > According to our Decision Policy the review period for this resolution > ends on Thursday 3rd March 2016. > > In text format: > > [1]W3C > > [1] http://www.w3.org/ > > - DRAFT - > > Timed Text Working Group Teleconference > > 18 Feb 2016 > > See also: [2]IRC log > > [2] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/18-tt-irc > > Attendees > > Present > Pierre, Rohit, Nigel > > Regrets > Andreas, Frans > > Chair > nigel > > Scribe > nigel > > Contents > > * [3]Topics > 1. [4]This meeting > 2. [5]Action Items > 3. [6]Charter > 4. [7]IMSC > 5. [8]TTML2 > 6. [9]Remaining agenda items > * [10]Summary of Action Items > * [11]Summary of Resolutions > __________________________________________________________ > > <scribe> scribe: nigel > > This meeting > > nigel: I think it's worth covering the Charter, also IMSC 1 > path to Proposed Rec, and TTML2 > ... AOB? > > rohit: Implementation Report status for IMSC? > > nigel: okay let's cover that in the IMSC topic > > Action Items > > nigel: Aside from my action (no progress) everyone else with > actions is not on the call, so we'll move on. > > Charter > > [12]https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/ > > [12] https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/ > > nigel: BBC has made a pull request at > [13]https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/pull/19 > ... [goes through the PR as it stands] > > [13] https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/pull/19 > > pal: It looks like I'll have time to look at the Charter and > provide feedback. > ... On the line re addressing compatibility for IMSC what are > your thoughts on "compatible"? > > nigel: I think the group needs to define and address it, but > the charter needs to be vague about what that means. > > pal: I agree with that! > > nigel: We changed the success criteria from "all available > features" to "every available new feature". I hope that's not > going to cause concern? > > tmichel: No that's not an issue, that's what we need to do. > > nigel: [further changes]. I also want to highlight the section > about group success being dependent on all the subgroups > ... having sufficient participation, which we changed to being > about subgroup success being dependent on that subgroup's > participation. > > tmichel: I understand your discomfort with the current wording. > Let's review further to see if the BBC's proposed approach is > acceptable. > > nigel: Clearly others need to review the charter too, and we > need to get something for Philippe to take forward quite soon. > > pal: I'll provide my comments by Monday. > > nigel: Fantastic, thank you. > ... I think Netflix would be well placed to review also. > > rohit: I'll circle back with Netflix and review the proposed > charter. > > nigel: Thank you! > > IMSC > > nigel: We have three: 1) Merged/open Pull Requests, 2) > Implementation Report, 3) path to Proposed Recommendation. > > pal: We have resolved all issues and merged all pull requests, > aside from an editorial tweaks issue which I'm using to keep > track. > ... It's for making sure styles are consistent, and other > editorial details. I plan to implement those just before the > ... Proposed Recommendation is made. > > Rohit_Puri__Netflix_: That's awesome! > > nigel: +1 > > pal: Thanks all for the help in getting there. > > nigel: +1 to that too! > ... Rohit, you wanted to talk about Implementation Report? > > Rohit_Puri__Netflix_: Just wanted to hear from Pierre about how > the Implementation Report is looking and whether > ... the Skynav implementations count towards implementation. In > one of the emails from Nigel I read that the tests > ... have been specified in terms of the rendering effect they > produce, and the TTX/TTV are transformation implementations. > > pal: As far as I know there are at least 2 implementations on > the report for each test vector that match the vector, which > ... pass. > > Rohit_Puri__Netflix_: Including the skynav report? > > pal: Yes. > > nigel: It's a good point. > > pal: Sorry to interrupt, but I also have another implementation > report in my inbox that I received from GIC indicating that > ... they think they've passed all the test vectors, so I expect > they'll be formally submitting something in the next few days. > > Rohit_Puri__Netflix_: I think they might be expecting Pierre to > update the status. > > pal: I'll follow up on that. > > tmichel: Just to clarify it a bit, the Implementation Report is > really meant, in the W3C process, for moving from CR to PR. > ... So once we've fulfilled our exit criteria, of course we can > update the Implementation Report, but it's not required by the > W3C. > ... What groups usually do is they spend more time on the test > suite and enrich the test suite with more tests that are > ... given by different companies to allow new implementations > better to test their products. Of course we can also add > ... to the implementation report if we have time and we feel it > is worth it. > > pal: That's my understanding. And we have gathered even more > tests, so the question is how we expand the table. > ... The point I think we've made is that we've cleared the bar > necessary for transition. > > tmichel: We don't need to put more features to test on the > Implementation Report. But we can add to the test suite as much > as we want. > > [14]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_Implementation_Repo > rt > > [14] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_Implementation_Report > > group: [discussed implementation report and transition to > proposed recommendation] > > PROPOSAL: IMSC 1 has met its exit criteria; we intend to exit > CR for IMSC 1 at the earliest available date, having made any > further required editorial changes. > > pal: My understanding is that we need to wait for the IP review > and then we can move forwards. > > RESOLUTION: IMSC 1 has met its exit criteria; we intend to exit > CR for IMSC 1 at the earliest available date, having made any > further required editorial changes. > > nigel: Having made that point, we will also continue to add > further implementation reports. > > tmichel: I would think that 1st week March for a Director call > would be good, and then a 4 week review would take us > ... beyond the patent exclusion period. > > pal: 29th Feb or 1st March would work for me. > > nigel: Same for me. > > tmichel: I'll check with the Director. About the time slot, > would the usual time of this meeting work? > > nigel: Yes, 1500 UK time. > > pal: Okay for me too, 0700 Pacific Time. > > tmichel: what about the hours following? (response is an hour > later okay, two hours later maybe but less ideal) > ... I have to have a document ready for that, even if it has > some links that need to be finalised. > > pal: I plan to have that in your hands for review by end of > Monday so we have a document that's ready by end of next week. > > tmichel: Ok. > > pal: I'm using Respec.js, and what we did for the last CR is > that every change results in a rendered version to the repo. > ... That resulted in a mistake last time. Can we not render > until we have to give it to the web master and use the respec > ... version for the Director? > > tmichel: If all the rules like pubrules work on it then that's > okay. > ... Even if that doesn't work I can always use the script to > make an output from your version. > > pal: Okay let's try that. I'm trying to avoid the same silly > mistake. > > tmichel: I understand the more versions the more opportunity > for errors. > > nigel: Thanks pierre for all your work on this. > > tmichel: For the resolution, when I will be drafting the > transition request I need to point to a resolution in the > minutes > ... that the group agrees to request transition. Will you do > that next week? > > nigel: Yes, we can do that based on the final version - there's > enough time isn't there? > > tmichel: Yes. > > nigel: That's what we'll do then. > > TTML2 > > nigel: Just to note that we have a merged PR, which I > submitted, which updates all the issue links to point to > github. > ... The media timing semantics PR is still open. > ... There's also been discussion of the use of inline block > semantics. > > [15]https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/146 > > [15] https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/146 > > nigel: On this one I was concerned that the semantics lead to > unwanted behaviours, but I think we can get around them > ... mostly using nested span. The only outstanding issue I > cannot find a way to solve right now is that BBC wants to be > ... able to paint background areas behind spans that have the > same height as lineHeight, and we cannot see a reliable > ... way to do this. I plan to file an issue within the next > week unless we can work out how. > ... I can't see a way yet to achieve this in CSS, and it may > need a new semantic on tts:padding to allow that to happen. > > It would be useful to see some images depicting desired results; this looks similar to a problem I addressed in an SVG implementation (batik) to add support for background coloring of text and tspan elements, wherein I defined: background-color: <color> background-mode: bbox | lineHeight background-padding: <length>{1,4} The second of these, background-mode, determined the extent of the rectangles to colorize; the third of these, background-padding, allows manually extending the background color rectangle on any of the edges. We could do something like this in TTML2; however, it might not readily translate to an HTML/CSS based renderer. > Remaining agenda items > > nigel: [speeds through in case there's anything to discuss] > ... On the TTML Versions note, I'm wondering if that should now > be merged with the Profiles Registry. It seems like we don't > need both. > > pal: Andreas and Mike may have views on that. > > nigel: True, Cyril too. > ... okay, that's all the agenda items for today. Thanks > everyone! Same time next week... [adjourns meeting] > > Summary of Action Items > > Summary of Resolutions > > 1. 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