- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:17:13 +0000
- To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <D347E7D0.3A57C%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Thanks all for attending today's TTWG meeting. Minutes in HTML format are at: https://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html
In text format:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
28 Apr 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
Nigel, Mike, Pierre, Thierry, plh
Regrets
Glenn, Frans, Andreas
Chair
Nigel
Scribe
nigel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]This Meeting
2. [5]TPAC
3. [6]IMSC
4. [7]Profiles registry
* [8]Summary of Action Items
* [9]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<scribe> scribe: nigel
This Meeting
nigel: I don't think we have any Action Items unrelated to
agenda items, nor anything
... to report on Charter. So I propose we cover TPAC, IMSC,
Profile Registry and anything else we have time (and people)
for.
... AOB?
TPAC
nigel: As per my email yesterday, we have draft schedule dates
for TPAC, being the
... Monday and Tuesday. Draft schedule is at
[10]https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html
... It's a shame that we overlap the Web & TV IG, as for me
anyway it was useful to attend
... both last year.
... We did ask not to overlap, on the WBS survey, but we do.
... I'd like to ask this group how many people would prefer to
attend both, so we can
... get an idea of how big an issue this is for us.
[10] https://www.w3.org/2016/09/TPAC/schedule.html
<scribe> ACTION: nigel Ask TTWG who would really prefer to be
able to attend Web & TV IG as well as TTWG at TPAC 2016
[recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[11] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-464 - Ask ttwg who would really
prefer to be able to attend web & tv ig as well as ttwg at tpac
2016 [on Nigel Megitt - due 2016-05-05].
pal: Note that moving TTWG would be really bad for me!
tmichel: Don't expect the Web & TV IG to move, because it's
huge. They've requested 40 participants!
nigel: Yes, their once a year meeting is well attended.
... There's common interest amongst Web & TV IG members and our
members.
IMSC
nigel: Notes that there's still no press release for IMSC, due
in part to the comm team being busy I'm told.
<scribe> ACTION: tmichel Ping plh privately regarding IMSC Rec
press release [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action02]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-465 - Ping plh privately regarding
imsc rec press release [on Thierry Michel - due 2016-05-05].
group: Voices strong concern at this situation on behalf of
those organisations which they reached out to for content for
the PR.
action-461?
<trackbot> action-461 -- Thierry Michel to Add an
acknowledgment section to the imsc 1 errata section. -- due
2016-04-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/461
[13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/461
tmichel: I started to wrap this up with a single errata with
the acknowledgment section.
... The first paragraph thanks and names current participants
of the TTWG, in alphabetical order.
... The 2nd paragraph includes special thanks to some people,
those from the WG that
... I'm aware of (might have missed some names).
... The 3rd paragraph thanks DECE.
... I had feedback from Pierre saying that the 1st para should
probably not name people
... and just thank current participants of the WG. I think
that's a good way to go; it's easier
... not to mention names because there are lots of participants
listed who never come
... to the meetings nor send any emails and have never
participated in IMSC 1.
... I agree that it's probably best not to mention those
people. The suggestion is to remove
... the names from para 1, review the 2nd para adding any
missing names, and keep
... the thanks to DECE. We name them because they contributed
the document for the Member Submission.
pal: And contributed test vectors too.
tmichel: I should add that.
... I made a pull request:
[14]https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/179
... I'll change the 1st para to take out individual names, and
add more detail on the 3rd para.
... What do you prefer for the 2nd para?
[14] https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/179
pal: As Editor I don't think we can exhaustively list the
people who need special thanks.
... My preference is not to do that.
nigel: I think we can and should add specific names.
pal: I think John Birch added meaningful text, so we should add
his name. I'd have to go
... back through all my notes.
nigel: I'd acknowledge people who have contributed text or
feature requests.
tmichel: This errata isn't normative - if we notice later that
we missed someone then we
... can add it later.
... I'll review this and add John Birch.
nigel: Yes, and reviewing, I think this is a pretty good list.
mike: So the clear test is that people contributed text?
nigel: I'd open it up slightly further, and include anyone who
added requirements even
... without proposed wording.
pal: For the record, I would do none of this.
nigel: This is partly a cultural thing for W3C, right? It's
normal for W3C specs to acknowledge contributors.
tmichel: Yes, it's normal to do that for W3C specs. It's not a
requirement, but it's nice.
<scribe> ACTION: nigel Review notes to see who if anyone should
be added to IMSC acknowledgements for special thanks. [recorded
in [15]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action03]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-466 - Review notes to see who if
anyone should be added to imsc acknowledgements for special
thanks. [on Nigel Megitt - due 2016-05-05].
Action-461: Note also Action-466.
<trackbot> Notes added to Action-461 Add an acknowledgment
section to the imsc 1 errata section..
pal: I'm thinking of reorganising the repo to have an imsc1
subfolder and an imsc.next folder.
... Is it possible to check we have no links that will break if
I do that?
tmichel: Yes, I'll check that.
pal: I really like the process that /TR publications should
never link back to github.
tmichel: I've never seen that, but now people in W3C want to
use github as much as possible...
... I think the errata should be something stable.
pal: Or if you do link to github link to a particular
changeset.
tmichel: I was thinking of moving a snapshot of the document
that has been agreed by
... the working group to a W3C server. Then we can work on the
github page for future
... erratas and when we have agreed to publish a new version I
will publish it on the same
... URI on the W3C server linked from the Rec document.
pal: That makes sense.
... Another topic on IMSC.next - I'm planning to start working
on this soon. The first
... task is to come up with a tentative list of features for
IMSC.next.
nigel: We should cover the extant requests e.g. from ATSC, and
also I'm expecting at least
... one more request from another group. I'll encourage them to
tell us ASAP!
pal: I plan to create an informal list at first, and then we
also need to think about using
... TTML2 concepts. Do we know when TTML2 will be done?
nigel: Way back when we decided to make IMSC1 and IMSC2 we said
we'd wait for TTML2
... before publishing IMSC2.
... I'd like to publish the low hanging stuff in an interim
e.g. IMSC 1.1.
tmichel: Are you suggesting we tie the version numbers between
IMSC and TTML
nigel: Yes, at least for the major version numbers. There's a
certain elegance there.
pal: I plan to start this ASAP.
nigel: A github wiki page might be a good way to capture this.
pal: Sounds like a good place to start, okay.
Profiles registry
action-459?
<trackbot> action-459 -- Thierry Michel to Process the PR at
[16]https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pull/3 and post
for review to the reflector -- due 2016-04-21 -- OPEN
[16] https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pull/3
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/459
[17] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/459
tmichel: I was waiting for approval before inviting review.
nigel: Okay, I think we can go ahead with that.
Mike: I added
[18]https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pull/9
[18] https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pull/9
nigel: I reviewed this 6 days ago. Any objections to merging
this?
mike: I did a copy/paste of the registration text from TTML1
and added the new codecs
... parameter and its syntax.
... The intent is to work with plh to register this with IANA.
<plh>
[19]https://rawgit.com/w3c/ttml2/master/spec/ttml2.html#profile
-attribute-processorProfileCombination
[19] https://rawgit.com/w3c/ttml2/master/spec/ttml2.html#profile-attribute-processorProfileCombination
plh: I see that the pull request gives a link to further
information regarding processor profile combination pointing to
rawgit not /TR
nigel: That's because we can't update the TTML2 WD due to the
new stylesheet.
tmichel: I could put some energy into manually modifying the
ToC if that's the only thing
... blocking this.
<scribe> ACTION: tmichel Ask Glenn if a manual modification of
the ToC would be feasible to publish a new WD of TTML2
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action04]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-467 - Ask glenn if a manual
modification of the toc would be feasible to publish a new wd
of ttml2 [on Thierry Michel - due 2016-05-05].
<plh>
[21]https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/#profile-attribute-processorPro
fileCombination
[21] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/#profile-attribute-processorProfileCombination
<plh>
[22]https://rawgit.com/w3c/ttml2/master/spec/ttml2.html#profile
-attribute-processorProfileCombination
[22] https://rawgit.com/w3c/ttml2/master/spec/ttml2.html#profile-attribute-processorProfileCombination
plh: The two linked sections look the same.
tmichel: I'm more concerned with initiating the conversation
with IANA.
plh: I suggest we change the link and merge the PR.
mike: That's fine too.
nigel: Okay with me too.
mike: Okay I'll do this, using the first of plh's two links
above, the /TR/ one.
nigel: This one:
[23]https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/#profile-attribute-processorPro
fileCombination
[23] https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/#profile-attribute-processorProfileCombination
mike: Okay I'll deal with it.
nigel: Thierry please could you wait for that to be merged
before circulating for review?
tmichel: Yes.
nigel: Thanks everyone, we're out of time. [adjourns meeting]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: nigel Ask TTWG who would really prefer to be able
to attend Web & TV IG as well as TTWG at TPAC 2016 [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: nigel Review notes to see who if anyone should be
added to IMSC acknowledgements for special thanks. [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: tmichel Ask Glenn if a manual modification of the
ToC would be feasible to publish a new WD of TTML2 [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: tmichel Ping plh privately regarding IMSC Rec
press release [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action02]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action01
[25] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action03
[26] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action04
[27] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-tt-minutes.html#action02
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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