- From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:43:44 -0700
- To: John Birch <John.Birch@screensystems.tv>
- Cc: TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>, Andreas Tai <tai@irt.de>, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Message-ID: <CACQ=j+cpUJGsTQHwvySVf7TRqF6gWXNVkQQytc1HvCS3_E82jA@mail.gmail.com>
I've added a new, generalized named metadata item mechanism, ttm:item [1] which I believe addresses your use case, and also can have many additional uses, such as representing other EBU and SMPTE metadata items. [1] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#metadata-vocabulary-item On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com> wrote: > Thanks for your review and input. > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:43 AM, John Birch <John.Birch@screensystems.tv> > wrote: > >> Hi Glenn, >> >> >> >> I’ve been looking at your proposal for embedded content (and I like it J >> but I noticed the following: >> >> >> >> ... >> >> <data type="text/plain; charset=us-ascii" length="44"> >> >> <chunk length="19"> >> >> VGhlIHF1aWNrIGJyb3duIGZveA== >> >> </chunk> >> >> <chunk length="25"> >> >> IGp1bXBzIG92ZXIgdGhlIGxhenkgZG9nLg== >> >> </chunk> >> >> </data> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> I don’t see ‘charset’ as an attribute of data in the later definition… >> > > In the above example, charset is a parameter of the MIME type expression > of the *type* attribute. No relationship with the 'encoding' attribute. > > >> I thought initially this was a typo and that it should be encoding, but >> then realised that ‘encoding’ is not permitted on the parent data element >> when using chunks? >> > > Correct, 'encoding' is permitted only on the data element when the content > of the data element uses simple data embedding, i.e., consists only of > #PCDATA that encodes the data bytes. If a data element uses chunked data > embedding, i.e., uses chunk element children, then all of the encoded data > bytes are in child chunk elements, so the encoding attribute applies only > to the chunk children and not the data parent. > > In the above example, the encoding attribute's default value 'base64' > applies on the chunk children, and is not relevant on the data parent. > > > >> However, the binaryData element in EBU-TT includes an attribute that >> does not appear within your proposed scheme, which is the fileName >> attribute. This optional attribute may contain “A filename that may be used >> to identify the original filename of the tunnelled binary data”. >> > > I'm not sure there is a useful use case for formalizing such a > name/identifier. It wouldn't have any relevant processing semantics in > TTML2, so it is definitely in the metadata category, which means using a > ttm:* attribute or a metadata element, e.g., one could use the following > convention with ttm:desc. > > <data type='application/octet-stream'> > <metadata> > <ttm:desc>original_file_name=foo.bar</ttm:desc> > </metadata> > <chunk> > ... encoded base64 data ... > </chunk> > </data> > > I wouldn't mind adding a new ttm:* element that generalizes the task of > defining metadata parameters, e.g., > > <ttm:parameter name='fileName'>foo.bar</ttm:parameter> > > which would allow rewriting the above example to > > <data type='application/octet-stream'> > <metadata> > <ttm:parameter name='original_file_name'>foo.bar</ttm:parameter> > </metadata> > <chunk> > ... encoded base64 data ... > </chunk> > </data> > > >> *There is some discussion as to the usage of this element, it could be >> viewed as metadata of ‘historic interest’ (e.g. the name of the DOS file >> that is encapsulated by the binary data) or it could be seen as a directive >> (i.e. what to name a file should a processor re-create a file from the >> binary data). My personal leanings are towards the former use…* >> >> >> >> Regardless of the use of this attribute, I would like to propose that the >> TTWG consider adding a similar attribute to the data *and chunk* >> elements in TTWG. (*As an aside the chunk element you propose would be a >> better resolution to one of the original EBU-TT requirements where multiple >> floppy disk based DOS files make up an STL document.*) Clearly the name >> ‘fileName’ would be inappropriate in a more generic specification but I >> tentatively suggest the following (below). >> > > We could consider it. But it definitely would not be appropriate on chunk, > which sole purpose is to enable streaming of data fragment children of a > data element. I guess you are thinking chunk might be used to contain > multiple original files (separately named) that are concatenated to form a > single data resource. This is counter to my intention that a chunk contain > a fragment of a data resource, or, if one wished, an entire data resource > (if a data element has a single chunk child like in the above example). > > >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> <chunk >> >> encoding >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-attribute-encoding> >> = (base16|base32|base32hex|base64|base64url) : base64 >> >> length = xsd:nonNegativeInteger >> <http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#nonNegativeInteger> >> >> xml:id >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#content-attribute-id> >> = ID >> >> ident = xs:string >> >> {*any attribute not in default or any TT namespace*}> >> >> *Content:* #PCDATA >> >> </chunk> >> >> >> >> An ident attribute may be specified, and may contain an identifier for >> the contained data from an external context (e.g. the original filename). >> >> >> >> And >> >> <data >> >> encoding >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-attribute-encoding> >> = (base16|base32|base32hex|base64|base64url) : *see prose below* >> >> format >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-attribute-format> >> = <data-format> >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-value-data-format> >> >> length = xsd:nonNegativeInteger >> <http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#nonNegativeInteger> >> >> src >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-attribute-src> >> = <data> >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-value-data> >> >> type >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-attribute-type> >> = xsd:string <http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#string> : * see prose >> below* >> >> xml:id >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#content-attribute-id> >> = ID >> >> ident = xs:string >> >> xml:lang >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#content-attribute-lang> >> = xsd:string <http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#string> >> >> xml:space >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#content-attribute-space> >> = (*default*|*preserve*) >> >> {*any attribute not in default or any TT namespace*}> >> >> *Content:* #PCDATA | (Metadata.class >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#element-vocab-group-metadata>*, >> chunk >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-vocabulary-chunk>+) >> | (Metadata.class >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#element-vocab-group-metadata>*, >> source >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-vocabulary-source> >> +) >> >> </data> >> >> >> >> If simple data embedding is used, i.e., the content of the data element >> is one or more text nodes, then an ident attribute may be specified, and >> may contain an identifier for the contained data from an external context >> (e.g. the original filename). If chunked or sourced data embedding is used, >> i.e., the content of the data element contains any child chunk >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-vocabulary-chunk> >> or source >> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#embedded-content-vocabulary-source> >> element, then an ident attribute must not be specified. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *John Birch | Strategic Partnerships Manager | Screen *Main Line : +44 >> 1473 831700 | Ext : 2208 | Direct Dial : +44 1473 834532 >> Mobile : +44 7919 558380 | Fax : +44 1473 830078 >> John.Birch@screensystems.tv | www.screensystems.tv | >> https://twitter.com/screensystems >> >> >> *Visit us at BVE, Excel London 24-26 February 2015 Stand No. N19* >> >> *P** Before printing, think about the environment* >> >> *From:* Glenn Adams [mailto:glenn@skynav.com] >> *Sent:* 23 November 2014 22:50 >> *To:* TTWG >> *Subject:* [ttml2] embedded content, background image styling, other >> edits >> >> >> >> I've updated the TTML2 ED [1] a few times in the last few days to: >> >> - add embedded content element types (new section 9) >> >> >> - audio >> - chunk >> - data >> - font >> - image >> - resources >> - source >> >> >> - add background image styling >> >> >> - tts:backgroundImage >> - tts:backgroundRepeat >> - tts:backgroundPosition >> >> >> - sub-divide former parameters section into profiles section and >> parameters section >> >> For detailed diffs, see change sets [2][3][4][5][6]. >> >> >> >> [1] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html >> >> [2] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/d16d284100b9 >> >> [3] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/67327764d375 >> >> [4] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/25035c814da5 >> >> [5] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/cc2b7aad7e7a >> >> [6] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/e3fdbceb09cb >> >> >> >> This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. 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