- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:09:03 +0000
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Thank you all who attended today's TTWG meeting. Minutes in HTML format are at: http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-tt-minutes.html
In text format:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13 Nov 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
pal, nigel, atai, tmichel, Frans, Mike, jdsmith
Regrets
glenn, courtney
Chair
nigel
Scribe
nigel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]This meeting
2. [5]IMSC 1 review comments
3. [6]Note on TTML versions
4. [7]Change Proposals
* [8]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 13 November 2014
<scribe> scribeNick: nigel
This meeting
group: no other business
nigel: Notes no meeting on 25th December and 1st January
tmichel: We have agreement to publish the FPWD of WebVTT; I'm
still waiting on the announcement.
... I publish the document in place, and then the web master
adds the links, which is the publication process, as well
... as making the announcement and putting on W3C home page.
IMSC 1 review comments
nigel: Our plan for today is to go through all the comments and
if we can move them all to Resolved then send replies.
... In order to do that we'll need to agree a response deadline
for the commenter, which goes into the emails.
pal: I've had some comments from Andreas and Nigel, which I
think are editorial only. I propose to edit them in place now.
... First one is a typo from nigel - double 'use'.
... For a future agenda, we should consider the general move to
git instead of Mercurial, so when Glenn's present it
... would be good to discuss that.
Frans: +1 to using git
pal: Another from Nigel: for LC-2977. You're proposing to add
conformance language and use the term "normal rendering"
... I'm concerned with using "normal rendering" which isn't
defined.
... SHALL vs NOT SHALL - I don't think that's needed but could
be okay.
nigel: The bigger point is that "no impact on presentation"
could be misinterpreted as "no presentation" which isn't what
we mean.
pal: This was a response to Andreas's point - I'd actually
prefer to remove the sentence altogether.
andreas: From a practical point of view the text as written
could be intepreted as requiring that forcedDisplay must be set
to true for everything.
pal: That's only the case if displayForcedMode is true.
andreas: If you set the external parameter to true and none of
the content has an applicable forcedDisplay attribute then
... nothing is shown.
pal: That's right - by default displayForcedOnlyMode is false.
andreas: The practical implication is that authors might always
set forcedDisplay to true.
mike: It's important to note the relevant external context
here, in which a track may be selected and displayed or not
displayed.
... The forcedDisplayMode forces the deselected text content to
play in specific circumstances.
nigel: We need to find an alternate form of words that
addresses the editorial issue here.
pal: I'm happy to a) remove the last sentence or b) keep as it
is but not c) use the term "normal rendering".
nigel: I'm not happy with leaving as is.
andreas: can we use something like "all other combinations ...
do not change the computed presentation" or something like
that?
pal: Glenn was adamant that this parameter should have no
impact on other computed values - let's not introduce another
problem.
nigel: How about removing the additional sentence and replacing
"If the value of" in the previous sentence with "If, and only
if, the value of" ...
andreas: Yes, that works.
pal: Okay, I've captured that.
[9]https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/34314/WD-ttml
-imsc1-20140930/2977
[9] https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/34314/WD-ttml-imsc1-20140930/2977
pal: The resolution text does not need to be changed because it
points to the latest editor's draft.
... Next is LC-2973
[10]https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/34314/WD-ttm
l-imsc1-20140930/2973
[10] https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/34314/WD-ttml-imsc1-20140930/2973
andreas: I like the solution in 6.2 but in 6.3 what we want to
say here is that the namespace defined by W3C can only
... be added to by W3C and no other entities. The last sentence
says that all undefined names in these namespaces are
... reserved for future standardisation by the W3C. I'm not
sure if that's quite the right term.
pal: I copied exactly what was in TTML1.
andreas: Okay, if everyone understands the intended meaning
then I'm fine with that.
pal: I tried to do exactly what TTML1 already does so at least
it's the same.
... Next one is LC-2982
[11]https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/34314/WD-ttm
l-imsc1-20140930/2982
[11] https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/34314/WD-ttml-imsc1-20140930/2982
andreas: I think we've already worked on this (forced display).
I was just thinking about the impact on authors for using
... the feature. I think it's correct as it says, and I have no
further proposal for a change.
pal: The last one with a comment is LC-2978
[12]https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/34314/WD-ttm
l-imsc1-20140930/2978
[12] https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/34314/WD-ttml-imsc1-20140930/2978
pal: I think Andreas suggested that the section 2 Document
Conventions should be a direct link to the section in TTML1
... rather than a general link?
andreas: Yes
pal: The challenge is I think the conventions aren't only in
the TTML1 document conventions section. For example
... the XML representation is in TTML1 §2.3, but the way
styling attributes are specified is in the styling section
inline.
... So I wanted to cast a wider net rather than a narrower one.
nigel: I can't see anything defining a document convention in
TTML 1 §8 Styling
pal: That's right - we're using the same convention as the
styling attribute tables in TTML1 §8 but it isn't clearly
... defined anywhere even in TTML1. I don't think we can link
to only one place.
andreas: The main reason for the comment was about the XML
representation, where the bold attribute format is
... defined as 'required'.
pal: So we can add 'in particular see section 2.3 for the
specification of the XML representation of elements'?
andreas: +1
pal: [edits in place with slight tweaks to the above wording
for precision]
... I think that covers all the comments.
nigel: In that case I think we can set all the comments to one
kind of Resolved or another.
pal: I don't know how to pick the different types of Resolved!
tmichel: They're resolved within the WG then we need the
agreement from the commenter.
[13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/Guide2LCtracker/overview.ht
ml#Resolution
[13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/Guide2LCtracker/overview.html#Resolution
nigel: I think we have to choose the appropriate
Resolved-[yes|partial|no] status on a comment by comment basis.
jdsmith: That makes sense to me.
tmichel: The three options will show on the final disposition
document with green/yellow/red colour coding
pal: When the comments are resolved, how do we notify the
commenter?
nigel: If it's okay I will decide on the status for each one,
and then we can send the replies.
... We need a feedback date though.
pal: I propose by next Thursday so we have the status by the
next meeting.
tmichel: My notes do say 'if the comment meets the commenters
request then we should put resolved-yes' etc.
... so before sending the response we have to set this status.
Then there's another box for the commenter to agree.
... So there are two different levels.
nigel: I'll set the statuses.
... When I've done that I'll send thierry an email asking for
the replies to be reviewed and sent.
tmichel: That's fine, then I'll track the responses from the
commenters.
nigel: And we'll set a reply-by date of Thursday 20th November.
pal: I've checked in the modification to the tip, incorporating
all the changes from today.
action-349?
<trackbot> action-349 -- Nigel Megitt to Submit imsc 1 to itu-r
working party 6b by 10th november -- due 2014-11-10 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/349
[14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/349
close action-349
<trackbot> Closed action-349.
action-348?
<trackbot> action-348 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Thank dvb
for input re lc-2983 -- due 2014-11-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/348
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/348
pal: I suggest it is more efficient for you to do this Nigel.
nigel: I suggest we just use the Replies to Comments here with
Resolution-yes. If you can do action-348 by adding the
... thank you message to LC-2983 then I'll just go ahead with
that.
pal: Thanks, I'll do that.
Note on TTML versions
action-344?
<trackbot> action-344 -- Cyril Concolato to Draft a wg note
explaining the differences and relationships between the
various versions of ttml -- due 2014-11-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/344
[16] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/344
[17]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/5ee90ec0d897/ttml-stat
us/index.html
[17] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/5ee90ec0d897/ttml-status/index.html
nigel: Cyril has done this and checked it in. The group should
review this and propose any edits needed.
close action-344
<trackbot> Closed action-344.
Change Proposals
nigel: I've sent a survey email out about CP25 and hope to
raise it as an agenda item next week.
<scribe> ACTION: nigel Set the status of the IMSC 1 Review
comments [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-350 - Set the status of the imsc 1
review comments [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-11-20].
nigel: Adjourns meeting. Thanks everyone - our next meeting is
1 hour, at the usual time next week.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: nigel Set the status of the IMSC 1 Review
comments [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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