- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:58:29 +0000
- To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CF3E4A52.1A660%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Minutes for today's TTWG, available at http://www.w3.org/2014/03/06-tt-minutes.html
[1]W3C
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Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
06 Mar 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/03/06-tt-irc
Attendees
Present
nigel, glenn, jdsmith, Thierry
Regrets
pal, frans_de_jong
Chair
nigel
Scribe
nigel
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Charter
2. [5]Action items
3. [6]Issues discussed over the last week
4. [7]Change Proposals
5. [8]AOB
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 06 March 2014
<glenn>
[10]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.h
tml#cea708-mapping
[10] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#cea708-mapping
<scribe> scribeNick: nigel
Charter
No comments on this agenda item at this time.
Action items
action-268?
<trackbot> action-268 -- Nigel Megitt to Estimate timelines for
ttml 2 deliberables with glenn -- due 2014-02-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/268
[11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/268
nigel: Glenn and I discussed this, main determining factor is
Glenn's availability and resource scheduling.
[12]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
nigel: Getting to TTML2 LC by April looks very ambitious at
this point.
glenn: would like to target June 1 for 1st WD, then August 1
for LC
... taking into account my availability, and conservative
scheduling.
... The CR period is 6 months, whereas 3 months would probably
be adequate.
... PR to Rec shouldn't take more than 2 weeks.
... The only thing needed is to poll the membership.
... The average is no more than 1 month.
... I propose for TTML2 August 2014 LC, Oct 2014 CR, Jan 2015
PR, Feb 2015 Rec.
... The work is not process work but is implementation and
technical work, which should be prior to or during LC or CR
period.
... That gives us overall 6 months for LC/CR period, which is
very generous.
nigel: We're still dependent on contributions, but as we have
one editor whom everything has to go through this is important.
action-269
<trackbot> action-269 -- Glenn Adams to Implement issue-282
changes on ttml2 text also -- due 2014-03-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/269
[13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/269
glenn: now Pending Review. Implemented this morning.
close action-269
<trackbot> Closed action-269.
action-270
<trackbot> action-270 -- Glenn Adams to Add informative
appendix to ttml2 on subject of 708 mapping, where it refers to
st2052-11 as starting point, and provides place to extend or
elaborate mapping information -- due 2014-03-06 --
PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/270
[14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/270
nigel: currently a placeholder.
glenn: marked as an Editor note, which is a placeholder to do
this later. We don't put actions on Editor notes - two record
keeping mechanisms aren't needed.
... There are 29 such notes, which is a backlog to process.
jdsmith: it would be useful to have a broad review of all the
updates on editors notes later.
glenn: when I make the updates I put them in the repository and
inform the group asynchronously. We generally in the past
haven't created actions, though
... some of them are associated with issues - we typically
close the issue when we've accepted the editor's changes.
close action-270
<trackbot> Closed action-270.
action-271?
<trackbot> action-271 -- Nigel Megitt to Draft email to css wg
chair requesting box-decoration-break in css3 -- due 2014-03-06
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/271
[15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/271
nigel: I've done the action but had no response.
glenn: I have an update because it was on the agenda in
yesterday's CSSWG meeting. I had independently submitted a
request from Cox to move it into Level 3.
... After a fair amount of discussion it was decided to leave
it where it is now in the CSS Fragmentation spec on the basis
that the group believes it will move to Rec in about
... the same timeframe as background and borders level 3.
There's concern over delays to this: backgrounds and borders L3
is further along the process. But most of the group
... believes it's more logically associated with Fragmentation,
so this is probably the best place for it.
... Peter Linss yesterday was supposed to draft a response.
When this happens we should thank them and say we'll hold them
to publishing Fragmentation on an expedited schedule
... aligned with the schedule for Backgrounds and Borders.
close action-271
<trackbot> Closed action-271.
Issues discussed over the last week
issue-300?
<trackbot> issue-300 -- Prior interpretation of the correct
fallback for tts:origin -- open
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/300
[16] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/300
no comments on the issues on the agenda from those present
Change Proposals
[17]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
[17] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
nigel: I edited the box-decoration-break section to reference
the EBU-TT-D syntax.
glenn: I wouldn't be averse to introducing a linePadding style
property that maps to CSS box-decoration-break. It gives us
some logical independence for mapping purposes.
<glenn> ACTION: glenn to add notes to CP15 for those items that
have already been implemented, where notes point at relevant
change set [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/06-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-272 - Add notes to cp15 for those
items that have already been implemented, where notes point at
relevant change set [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-03-13].
nigel: for box-decoration-break need to add example syntax in
TTML2 and proposed mapping to CSS. Will do this for a single
value for both start and end, in units identical to those that
padding takes now.
... multiple row alignment
glenn: want to think about the name, but not expose the CSS
directly. Prefer to have a TTML property that focuses on the
usage.
nigel: agreed. FIts with the general style of TTML.
glenn: The indirection may reduce spec-dependencies on
publication. We don't know when flex will get to Rec. If the
mapping document has dependencies on CSS features that are not
in Rec we could
... put the mapping document outside TTML2 to allow us to
publish.
AOB
thierry: administrative point: next week US switches to summer
time.
action nigel to add DST note to next agenda
<trackbot> Created ACTION-273 - Add dst note to next agenda [on
Nigel Megitt - due 2014-03-13].
rrsagent. make logs public
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: glenn to add notes to CP15 for those items that
have already been implemented, where notes point at relevant
change set [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2014/03/06-tt-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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