- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:14:25 +0000
- To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CFEDA687.2030F%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Thanks to all for attending today's meeting. The minutes are available at http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html Text format minutes: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 17 Jul 2014 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-irc Attendees Present glenn, Thierry, nigel, atai, Courtney, pal Regrets plh Chair nigel Scribe nigel Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Prioritise discussion for this meeting 2. [5]Geneva f2f 3. [6]Action Items 4. [7]Issues * [8]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 17 July 2014 <scribe> scribeNick: nigel Prioritise discussion for this meeting thierry: Can we put a deadline for the F2F? nigel: I've opened the questionnaire until 15th August. thierry: Can we encourage everyone to attend and/or complete the registration form? [9]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/TTWG_Geneva_F2F_Plannin g/ [9] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/TTWG_Geneva_F2F_Planning/ Geneva f2f Courtney: re the agenda, spending a long time on the code/tests for the transforms is really important so I'm glad it's on the agenda. ... I'm largely happy with the agenda as it stands. [10]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/geneva2014 [10] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/geneva2014 atai: We want to propose a mapping from a restricted TTML subset to WebVTT glenn: One point of advice for that mapping: The best approach is to map TTML document to an ISD sequence, and then map the individual ISDs to VTT cues. ... my plan is to include in TTML2 a formal definition of an interchangeable form of a sequence of ISD documents. I'll probably define a format: either a single XML document where each child is an ISD document ... and maybe a second format that is a ZIPped sequence of ISDs with a specific naming format to sequence them in the ZIP file. nigel: That's an interesting point because there's an alternative which is to create a cue per piece of text with a distinct lifetime, by semantic analysis of the document. I can see merits to both. glenn: I may have some working code by the F2F to drive some discussion. Action Items action-296? <trackbot> action-296 -- Glenn Adams to Define default for @validationaction to be warn if @validation is optional; otherwise, default is abort -- due 2014-06-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/296 [11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/296 close action-296 <trackbot> Closed action-296. action-302 <trackbot> action-302 -- Nigel Megitt to Re-review issue-313 -- due 2014-06-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/302 [12] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/302 issue-313? <trackbot> issue-313 -- Presented Region section is informative only -- open <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/313 [13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/313 close action-302 <trackbot> Closed action-302. issue-313: An acceptable proposal would be to change the wording in §4.6.1 specifically to define the term "Presented region". <trackbot> Notes added to issue-313 Presented Region section is informative only. action-303? <trackbot> action-303 -- Nigel Megitt to Add priority column to change proposal index -- due 2014-06-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/303 [14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/303 [15]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/ChangeProposalIndex [15] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/ChangeProposalIndex nigel: I've added the priority column - please could the owners of each change proposal now review each and edit the index page to assign the appropriate priority value. ... We can use this to choose which issues and changes to tackle soonest. close action-303 <trackbot> Closed action-303. <scribe> ACTION: glenn Assign priorities to change proposals owned by glenn [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-304 - Assign priorities to change proposals owned by glenn [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-07-24]. <scribe> ACTION: pal Assign priorities to change proposals owned by pal [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-305 - Assign priorities to change proposals owned by pal [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2014-07-24]. <scribe> ACTION: jdsmith Assign priorities to change proposals owned by jdsmith [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-306 - Assign priorities to change proposals owned by jdsmith [on Jerry Smith - due 2014-07-24]. <scribe> ACTION: mdolan Assign priorities to change proposals owned by mdolan [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-307 - Assign priorities to change proposals owned by mdolan [on Mike Dolan - due 2014-07-24]. action-207? <trackbot> action-207 -- Glenn Adams to Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207 [20] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207 glenn: I've implemented this clarification. ... I've clarified the distinction between scalar and vector component comparisons for border and padding. There was also a comment about rounding up vs down. ... For extent and lineHeight we round up so I added a comment on extent that explains the rationale for this. nigel: Looks good to me. pal: I'll take a look. action-258? <trackbot> action-258 -- Glenn Adams to Work with pal to resolve edits needed for issue-259 comments -- due 2014-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/258 [21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/258 glenn: this is related to action-207. Issues issue-263? <trackbot> issue-263 -- profile feature set may not match intended feature constraints -- pending review <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/263 [22] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/263 glenn: I think we're looking for Mike's review of this. issue-316? <trackbot> issue-316 -- Wording of 5.2 doesn't make sense -- pending review <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/316 [23] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/316 close issue-316 <trackbot> Closed issue-316. issue-309? <trackbot> issue-309 -- Image profile needs to permit text equivalent -- open <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/309 [24] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/309 nigel: We met the accessibility folk on Monday. The feeling is that as long as there's availability of a text equivalent and a method to find it then the WCAG requirement is met. pal: Reviewing the changes I've made: [25]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml-ww-profiles/t tml-ww-profiles.html [25] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml-ww-profiles/ttml-ww-profiles.html scribe: in §3.1 the text is clarified to say that distributors should provide a text form of image data that the system can find automatically. ... in §4.5.4 there's an altText attribute to allow a text string to be added. nigel: The normative text doesn't mention accessibility - shouldn't it? pal: The harm for IMSC to say MAY have accessibility is we don't want accessibility /only/ to be in the alt text because it's better to have a complete alternate text profile document. ... Of course there's no prohibition on usage of altText but it's not at all a recommendation. glenn: defining the contents as #PCDATA is appropriate for an element that can contain text. atai: This section says "{any attribute not in the IMSC 1.0 Metadata namespace}" which would allow any attribute in TTML 1 namespace, which doesn't seem right. glenn: That's correct - the table near the top of TTML defines all the tt namespaces that should not be permitted here. pal: I'll change it to "any attribute not in the default namespace or in the TT namespace or in the IMSC 1.0 namespace" ... John Birch provided some text re WCAG so I've moved that to Annex C. nigel: The term "application" has been used in various places normatively so I think it needs to be defined. pal: Or I could remove it. nigel: Either way - but application is used in several places now. ... I wonder if we should say "In order to meet the guidelines of [WCAG20] the following considerations apply:" pal: I like that. ... I'll create an issue prior to committing those changes. ... I've added in Annex D.5 the #altText extension designator is defined. nigel: I think the #altText extension needs to be added to §6.4. pal: I'll add that. glenn: I just added a new issue for IMSC - issue-326. issue-317? <trackbot> issue-317 -- IMSC should not require frame alignment -- open <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/317 [26] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/317 pal: I've added a note that hopefully captures the use case. ... in §4.4 nigel: We're close on this one but I need to come back with some proposals for edits. ... adjourns meeting Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: glenn Assign priorities to change proposals owned by glenn [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: jdsmith Assign priorities to change proposals owned by jdsmith [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: mdolan Assign priorities to change proposals owned by mdolan [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: pal Assign priorities to change proposals owned by pal [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-tt-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [31]scribe.perl version 1.138 ([32]CVS log) $Date: 2014-07-17 15:07:55 $ __________________________________________________________ [31] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [32] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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